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Archbishop of York calls for Wales to sing God Save the Queen before sports matches

10 Aug 2021 3 minutes Read
Archbishop of York Stephen Cottrell. By Bashereyre (CC 3.0)

The Archbishop of York has called for Wales to sing God Save the Queen before international sports games.

Stephen Cottrell suggested that when the different nations of the UK play each other in sporting contests that they “belt out our individual anthems” before they “sing our national anthem together”.

Cottrell also complained about Scotland singing the Scottish national anthem Flower of Scotland before its Euro 2020 match with England, instead of both teams having “sung one national anthem”.

But he did praise the “impressive zest” with which the Scottish anthem was sung.

He made the suggestion in a column in the Telegraph, in which he said many people in England feel left behind by “metropolitan elites in London and the South East” and are “patronised as backwardly xenophobic”.

He also called for “an expansive vision of what it means to be English”.

In his column he said: “I’m also a big fan of any game that stops for tea. In fact, after the horrors of Covid, our whole nation would benefit from a tea break.

“A chance to pause, reset and rediscover who we are: a courageous and compassionate community of communities, serving the common good, and delighting in our diversity across these islands.

“Then when the different nations of the United Kingdom find themselves pitched against each other on the sports field, we could belt out our individual anthems. Then sing our national anthem together. And love our neighbour.”

‘What do sing’

He also said: “When England played Scotland in the Euros a few months ago, we faced a conundrum. What to sing before the match?

“Both nations, England and Scotland, belong to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. We should, surely, have sung one national anthem.

“But the Scots, with impressive zest, sang Flower of Scotland. And the English sang God Save the Queen. The national anthem of both nations became just the English anthem.

“The question is something more than just coming up with an anthem. It is something about Englishness.”

On devolution Cottrell said: “Various devolutions seemed to be a good development. They emphasised that unity in diversity. They shared responsibility and empowered local government.

“A Scottish parliament and a Welsh assembly were born. But similar developments never really happened in England.

“Consequently, Westminster started to feel like the English Government. And London, with its own mayor and wealth, size and influence, started to feel like a separate nation: even in England, it was London and the rest.

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j humphrys
j humphrys
3 months ago

Unity in Diversity, very woke.

hdavies15
hdavies15
3 months ago

Robotic adherence to centralised institutions and their outdated orthodoxy.
Can’t expect much better from a man whose own institution still covers up sex crimes and preaches the virtues of poverty while sitting on hundreds of £millions invested in all sorts of toxic businesses.

MWW
MWW
3 months ago
Reply to  hdavies15

Hypocrisy in many ways is central to the Cof E

Steven Julians
Steven Julians
3 months ago
Reply to  hdavies15

I’m English and support them in the 6 nations unashamedly, but I will NEVER sing God Save the Queen. It calls on a deity in whose existence I do not believe to preserve an institution that I consider an outdated undemocratic anachronism.

Plus the Welsh (& French & Italian) anthems are simply better and more stirring tunes….

Wrexhamian
Wrexhamian
3 months ago

That’s about as good a summing-up of the unionist establishment mindset as you can get. Telegraph readers will love this. Sadly for him, it’s not going to happen.

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago

Why doesn’t he he suggest that the English sing the Marseillaise before sports fixtures ? After all , their country was a colony of the Dukes of Normandy (and Anjou) or perhaps the Danish national anthem as England was for a long time part of the kingdom of Denmark ? I know that the Anglican church used to be known as “the Tory party at prayer” but I thought they had moved on from Victorian colonialism.

Huw Davies
Huw Davies
3 months ago
Reply to  Anthony Jones

The Normans were the Norse Vikings who settled a bit of France so the Danish anthem would make sense. However, French was the language of the ‘English’ royal court up to the C15 so perhaps a mix of Danish and French for the anthem. Mind you, we also need a bit of German to acknowledge the house of Hanover and Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Add a bit of Welsh and Gaelic to remember the Celts and give it a Latin title to give a Roman salute. Some sort of equivalent to the South African anthem seems appropriate.

Robin
Robin
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

How about the German National anthem?

Malcolm Martyn
Malcolm Martyn
3 months ago
Reply to  Robin

They already stole the music from Lichtenstein

Cynan
Cynan
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

Maybe but I won’t sing it. My country already has an anthem. I don’t intend to sing about fictional deities saving queens and I don’t much care for the concept of a language porridge song trying to unify us against our will

Last edited 3 months ago by Cynan
Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

I’m pretty sure that a “Roman Salute” would get a negative reception these days .

MWW
MWW
3 months ago
Reply to  Anthony Jones

And her title in queen of england not queen of the uk

Mark
Mark
3 months ago
Reply to  MWW

sorry to be a pedant, but her correct title is Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, either way, time for the ridiculously archaic monarchy to be abolished along with giving bishops a seat in the upper house,

Cynan
Cynan
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark

And my correct title is the Grand High Bard of Earth, Mars and the Colder bits of Venus. It’s as valid a Lizzie Saxe-Coburg Gotha’s title

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago
Reply to  MWW

I think it’s Queen of England Scotland and Ireland (well done of it anyway) , so point taken ;-).

Kathy Farleigh
3 months ago
Reply to  Anthony Jones

Well said 👏👏👏

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago
Reply to  Kathy Farleigh

Diolch yn fawr .

Cath
Cath
3 months ago

“The question is something more than just coming up with an anthem. It is something about Englishness.”
He wants the four nations to come together and be English ….

Eborphobe
Eborphobe
3 months ago

For an educated man he’s a f***ing idiot.

Philip Jones
Philip Jones
3 months ago

I just wondered if he’s thick or a posh windup merchant. Too late for Boris though – he’s a Catholic.

Mick Tems
Mick Tems
3 months ago

Over my dead body!

Gareth Parry
Gareth Parry
3 months ago

Has the godly gentlemen not heard that Wales is secular and that the Church in Wales is not part of the see of Canterbury or York and that disestablishment has actually happened.
GSTQ is not even an offical national anthem, it is a ‘Royal Anthem’ .
Would be good to see a rebuttal from Wales’ Archbishops towards his comments along the likes of ‘you mind your flock, we’ll mind ours’ but i may have to wait a long time.

Steve George
Steve George
3 months ago
Reply to  Gareth Parry

Or just flock off!

Bill
Bill
3 months ago

This will go down well 🙂 I am old enough to remember God Save the Queen (or was it King) being booed out of Scottish or Welsh rugby matches.

Dafydd Evans
Dafydd Evans
3 months ago
Reply to  Bill

I was thinking just the same thing – remember that from my childhood and loved it (the booing that is).

These idiots are so far out of touch its unreal. They’re living in another dimension! His words highlight his complete and utter ignorance of the people of non-England. We have our own national anthems – all superior to that appalling durge GSTQ

Move along bishop, caped crusader or whatever else you’re supposed to be.

Vaughan
Vaughan
3 months ago

This is yet another example of that Anglo-centric British nationalism which sees England and GB as one and the same thing, much as the way in which Serbs regarded the rest of Yugoslavia as a Greater Serbia. That did not end well.

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
3 months ago

It is the link between Anglicanism and British jingoism and flag-waving militarism that finally caused me to turn my back on the Church in Wales. I am repelled by the ubiquitous battle standards, banners, regimental chapels, and trappings of rampant imperialism. And the special prayers for the Queen of England as supreme governor. And archbishops telling me I should be belting out Rule Britannia. For me, the answer was to look away from the state church to a universal church. As in the words of the Nicene Creed, “I believe in one Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church”. I am converting… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by Cai Wogan Jones
j humphrys
j humphrys
3 months ago

You have obviously travelled a long road. Croeso!

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago

Welcome home 😉

ian foulds
ian foulds
3 months ago

the man is a diddy

but we know that by the way he dresses

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
3 months ago

Ah, the poor put-upon English who refused devolution out of their terror of taking responsibility then voted for Brexit in order to “take back control”.

Stark, staring bonkers the lot of them but Cottrell is an avowedly evangelical Catholic who is number two in the established church of England. Truly schizoid.

William Glyn THOMAS
William Glyn THOMAS
3 months ago

Is this bloke real? Why on earth should we sing an English anthem that was originally German. He should stick to his fairy tales.

Cynan
Cynan
3 months ago

Haven’t sung the Hanoverian dirge since I was a child. Won’t be starting now. Don’t think I’d remember it if I wanted to. I don’t want to

Dai
Dai
3 months ago

What is England’s “individual anthem” again? I must have forgotten.

defaid
defaid
3 months ago
Reply to  Dai

Jerusalem…

Huw Davies
Huw Davies
3 months ago
Reply to  defaid

Which suggests Jesus walked ‘on England’s green and pleasant land’. The Anglo-Saxons didn’t really invade until the 5th Century so England didn’t actually exist at the time JC’s feet in ancient times could have walk upon the land of Prydain. Of course, given that some English person came up with ‘If English was good enough for Christ, then it should be good enough for everyone’ they wouldn’t let little things like historical facts get in the way of their narrative.

defaid
defaid
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

Ah, but England owns Prydain.

Outside England, the suggestion is usually made as a joke because it’s been the favourite in polls despite the title failing to mention anything English, and because a national anthem whose title is a city in another country carries a strong connotation of imperialism.

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

Da iawn 😊

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones
3 months ago
Reply to  Huw Davies

Well Jesus couldn’t have been English, I’ve seen loads of pictures of him in sandals, but Never sandals and socks 😂😂😂

Gerwyn
Gerwyn
3 months ago

Why on earth would we give a toss about an old woman from another country – not to mention a monarchy in 2021 is absolutely ridiculolus and totally ‘undemocratic’. Not to mention that GTSQ is monotone dirge – Whereas Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is a an absolute belter. Go away with your Brit Nat god fearing nonsense – seriously, leave Wales to be Wales

GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
3 months ago

Invaders want us to sing their tragic national anthem. Clown. Like we will ever take on the opinion of an organisation of child molesters.

Shan Morgain
3 months ago

So if GSQ is the UK anthem England must have an official English one. Never heard of it. ‘Jerusalem’ sometimes mentioned but not official. Speaking as an ex-Englishwoman (until I was 40, 30 years ago) I can recall GSQ sung very occasionally at public events in England. Most of the English stood silent considering it appallingly bad taste (your love for your country is a personal matter not for showing off).Cinemas used to play it at the end and there was a mass rush to exit before it started up and embarrassed everyone. It did take some adjusting when I… Read more »

defaid
defaid
3 months ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

Jerusalem is usually mentioned tongue in cheek because the title contains no reference to England (though neither does The Soldier’s Song) and because a national anthem whose title is a city in a different country has a strong implication of imperialism.

Wikipedia has an entry for ‘National anthem of England’.

What Ismyname
What Ismyname
3 months ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

Having moved from England to Wales in 2008, I remember being transfixed with wonder when I first heard Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau sung in the Park and Dare in Treorci. I started learning Welsh and trying to memorise the words of the anthem. The latter took me a year, I am still persisting with the former. In the meantime, I discovered Wales to be the homeland I had longed for all my life. As a child of Polish parents who as members of the Free Polish Army were given the right to settle in the UK after WW2, I struggled… Read more »

Mandi A
Mandi A
3 months ago
Reply to  What Ismyname

Anders’ Army, they were brave. I have a good friend whose dad was a member and also settled in East London.

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
3 months ago
Reply to  What Ismyname

Da iawn, croeso i Gymru 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
3 months ago
Reply to  What Ismyname

Mae llawer o bobl o Wlad Pwyl wedi ymgartrefu yn ardal Llanbedr Pont Steffan 😊

Wrexhamian
Wrexhamian
3 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

Ac yn Wrecsam ar ol y Rhyfel.

David Smith
David Smith
3 months ago
Reply to  What Ismyname

If you feel the hiraeth, that’s enough qualification to call yourself Welsh as far as I’m concerned.

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
3 months ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

Do they still play it on the BBC when the programmes end?

j humphrys
j humphrys
3 months ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

It’s a belter of a hymn. I love it!…….. “oi, umphrys, the bar shut alf an our ago!”

GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
3 months ago

There is no way in hell the FAW would ever allow this. On the other hand, the bootlickers at the WRFU would probably go for it.

Tim
Tim
3 months ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

Yep – they are fine with the 3 feathers of the English “Prince of Wales” – I am so glad that our football team is different

Kipper Kinsey
Kipper Kinsey
3 months ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

Sorry rugby would never allow this. Give us some credit

Cynan
Cynan
3 months ago
Reply to  Kipper Kinsey

Rugby fans and players might not. The WRU definitely would. Their emblem is the coward’s feathers and they’ve just agreed to merge the Welsh 7s team into a Team GB

Last edited 3 months ago by Cynan
Vaughan
Vaughan
3 months ago

Do you remember in the London Olympics how the gammon in England had apoplexy when Welsh players in GB team didn’t sing GSQ before matches?

defaid
defaid
3 months ago

Mind your own shop, fat lad. It’s not my national anthem.

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
3 months ago
Reply to  defaid

Yes it has nothing to do with the Archbishop of York, he should focus on his own business.

Kipper Kinsey
Kipper Kinsey
3 months ago

Is this bloke real ?
The Scots and us welsh not to sing o flower of Scotland and mae hen flad fy naddau before a game and instead sing god save our queen u r kidding me
We don’t want to be colony’s of England anymore

William Habib Steele
William Habib Steele
3 months ago

He wants Scots to sing an English Nationalist ditty that contains the verse,
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!”

Only an insensitive English Prelate would make such a suggestion!

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
3 months ago

No, we won’t. End of!

Cynan
Cynan
3 months ago

Backward patronising xenophobic complains about being called patronising backward and xenophobic

Quornby
Quornby
3 months ago

Is he round the bend?

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
3 months ago

Hmmm A simple answer to that is No!

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
3 months ago

The first thought that came to my mind was what has it to do with him? I had to check twice what the heading said, that he is the Archbishop of York and not even the Archbishop of Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

AnthonyA Coslett
AnthonyA Coslett
3 months ago

The Archbishop of York and his boss The Archbishop of Canterbury are making a habit of interfering politically in the affairs of Cymru and Alba. They speak only for the established Church of England and have no remit outside of the geographical borders of that nation. The equivalent of their church in Cymru is The Church in Wales in communion with the See of Canterbury but owing it no fidelity. One believes that these lofty and arrogant prelates are being manipulated and manoeuvred by a Westminster Government fearful of presiding over the dismemberment of the U.K. Cottrell and Welby must… Read more »

j humphrys
j humphrys
3 months ago

What A Burgess called “The Morganitic Gift of a Syphilitic Monarch”. And millions watched Downton Abbey.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
3 months ago

Sing something stupid…One of Fat Shanks’ choir…

Speaking as a political appointee not as a ‘man of the cloth’.

Last edited 3 months ago by Mab Meirion
David
David
3 months ago

Why should God only save one person?

Nige
Nige
3 months ago

No. Just No.

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
3 months ago

Good of him to confirm what we always knew – that the church of England are the tory party at prayer and nothing more. To be honest I couldn’t give a rats ar*e what this arrogant d*ckwad thinks anyway. Religion is as irrelevant to the 21st Century as the monarchy and the sooner we do away with both the better. The c of e should be disestablished and all religious groups should lose their charitable statuses and get taxed just like every other business – for that is what they are, money making businesses. I have far more respect for… Read more »

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
3 months ago

No to be confused with the Duke of York, of course….. maybe we should sing ‘god save the children’ sexually abused by many members of your church

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
3 months ago

The Grand old Duke of York
He walked about the town
Sometimes with his trousers up
And sometimes with them down
And when they were up they were up
And when they were down they were down
And when they were only half-way up
He was arrested

(with apologies to the late great Spike Milligan)

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
3 months ago

Are you watching, Boris? This guy is clearly pitching for the Canterbury job.

David Smith
David Smith
3 months ago

Hasn’t he any altar boys to bugger?

David Smith
David Smith
3 months ago

Why are conservatives, so in thrall to the idea of markets correcting themselves, laissez-faire, private enterprise being King and all that, so terrified of extending the overarching idea of ‘trusting people tend to their own arrangements to the aggregate good’ to the nations of these islands? Are the Conservative Party and their cohorts, that b*****d obtuse to not realise that these sorts of ‘forced Britishness’ initiatives will do nothing but sow dissent and grievance. Why can’t the Invisible Hand of kinship and the ties of shared history, culture and values be left to do its thing between the citizens of… Read more »

Steven Julians
Steven Julians
3 months ago

Silly old fool

Marc
Marc
3 months ago

Archbishop of York calls for Wales to sing God Save the Queen, Wales calls for the Archbishop of York to **** off!

John Morgan
John Morgan
3 months ago

This is the Archbishop’s Communications Officer’s response to email today!!!:

The Archbishop wrote his comment piece on the subject of Englishness in order to encourage a sense of pride and responsibility as a nation belonging to something larger than ourselves. Without strengthening regional identity there is a risk that we carry on defining ourselves against things.

The Archbishop commended the different nations to ‘belt out our individual anthems’ but he also suggested to sing our national anthem together and love our neighbour.

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
3 months ago
Malcolm Martyn
Malcolm Martyn
3 months ago

Eh sorry but no. The Welsh should sing their own anthem as should any other country that has one. The grand old halfwit of York should know better.

Malcolm Martyn
Malcolm Martyn
3 months ago

Worth a note that she sent the monarch of Cornwall either, it’s a duchy and old Charley boy is it’s monarch

LLJ
LLJ
3 months ago

I have been dumbfounded by the Archbishop of York’s championship of a version of ‘Englishness’ which, rooted as it is in some Enid Blyton fantasy, is seriously out of step with the times. His call to abandon or downgrade the national anthems of Wales and Scotland at public events, like sports meetings, in favour of a hearty chorus of God Save The Queen, is rooted in an ugly English colonialist mentality. It is unwanted. He seriously underestimates the feeling of identity, of un-Englishness, felt by many of the Scots and Welsh. I myself identify first and foremost as Welsh, and… Read more »

Rob Smith
Rob Smith
3 months ago

It’s sad to realise that the venerable institution of the Archbishopric of York is in the hands of a Tory tosser.

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