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Boris Johnson to take away Wales’ power over health and social care funding

07 Sep 2021 2 minutes Read
Boris Johnson at the House of Commons.

Boris Johnson is taking power away from the Welsh Government over health and social care funding.

The Tory Prime Minister has announced Wales will receive a share of extra money from a UK-wide hike of 1.25% in National Insurance.

But in a significant change of the devolution settlement, the additional money from the hike will legally have to be spent in the way the Westminster government decides.

Johnson told the House of Commons: “While Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own systems, we will direct money raised through the levy to their health and care services.”

He also said: “I can confirm that both Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland will be getting an increment.

“It is up to those parts of the country to ensure that is spent on the people’s priorities, and I believe the people’s priorities are health and social care.”

‘Mitts off’ 

Ian Blackford, the SNP’s leader in Westminster said: “Health is devolved to the Scottish government, the Prime Minister can get his mitts off our health system.”

Wales, Scotland and Northern would share £2.2bn a year between them, according to Boris Johnson.

A UK government source told the BBC that Wales would benefit get an extra £700m by 2024-25.


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Stuart Cane
Stuart Cane
8 months ago

This is just political anti-devolution posturing from Johnson, pretending that he has more control over Wales than he does. At least he’s putting a massive union jack on the tax office in Cardiff to remind us that our taxes are all being sent over Offa’s Dyke before being generously handed back to us.

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
8 months ago

Do only the English pay tax and NI then, Mr Russell?

Last edited 8 months ago by Mr Williams
David Russell
David Russell
8 months ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

Yes Mr Williams they do. The vast majority of it.

hdavies15
hdavies15
8 months ago
Reply to  David Russell

Your delusion is rampant Do something about it Mr Russell.

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
8 months ago
Reply to  David Russell

Wish they pay for their water rather than leeching off us Welsh. England is supposedly a 1st world economy but sucks our resource like a baby attached to their mother’s umbilical cord our life’s blood Time they grew up, or paid up.

Last edited 8 months ago by Y Cymro
Jones2004
Jones2004
8 months ago

While the sentiment is dangerous it surely won’t make much practical difference. If the WG have to spend this £800m on the NHS, they surely will be able to just move a different £800m to another budget (not that it’s likely they will).

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
8 months ago
Reply to  Jones2004

Although correct, there are ways and means to move monies from one area to another, Wales shouldn’t be intimidated & threatened to jump to the English tune.

The Tories are going to regret this centrist power-grab , especially in Scotland. No amount of posturing will alter Scottish minds, who as I speak, are ramping up plans for another Indy2 to freedom. And it’s only time when Wales follows suit or be forever England’s water tank & fool to exploit.

Last edited 8 months ago by Y Cymro
Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
8 months ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

Deffrwch Cymry 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
8 months ago

This is an undemocratic act and an attack of Welsh devolution by Conservative fascists in London. I’d advise the Welsh Government take this hostile Tory idiocracy the Supreme Court and challenge their overt power-grab. These are the same clowns that said the EU were diktats who foisted rules & regulations on Britain that stole our powers & sovereignty. The irony. I’ve said this over the years fighting for Wales & Welsh independence, that if Boris Johnson had his way he’d happily flood more Welsh Valleys for English water consumption in the SE. He said so as London Mayor. We have… Read more »

Last edited 8 months ago by Y Cymro
Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
8 months ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

The Welsh Government was elected by the Welsh people, who also voted for devolution in two refferenda. Boris did not get a majority of votes in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

What has that to do with what I wrote? I repeat the Welsh Government was elected by the Welsh people, who also voted for devolution in two refferenda. Boris did not get a majority of votes in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Last edited 8 months ago by Stephen Owen
Marcus Viola
Marcus Viola
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

This isn’t a devolved matter.
The UK raises NI. Wales gets its share to spend on health and social care.

I can’t see what you are moaning about. Would you prefer to spend 800 billion on a statue ? !

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Viola

Read the title of the article, “Boris Johnson to take away Wales’ power over health and social care funding”. They are devolved matters in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Marus Viola
Marus Viola
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

That is the headline. The text says nothing of the sort.

Extra UK NI money has to be spent on health and social care.

What it wrong with that.

Wales is part of the UK. The electorate decided that when they ignored independence parties at both elections.

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
8 months ago
Reply to  Marus Viola

I think you should think about not posting things that make you look stupid, the SNP is an independence party and have a big majority in Scotland in both westmonster and the holyroyd, also this article is not about independence it is about power grabbing what little powers we habe in Cymru

Marcus Viola
Marcus Viola
8 months ago

The SNP didn’t achieve a majority in the Holyrood elections as everyone knows.

And we are talking Wales here. The Conservatives received more votes than all of the independence parties combined.

So his government speaks more for the public will than that of independence.

Giving Wales extra money from English NI and saying it has to be spent on health and social care isn’t a power grab. It is common sense.

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Viola

We pay Ni as well. It’s not “English NI”.

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago
Reply to  Marus Viola

At present NI is collected in Westminster and the Senedd receives money according to the Barnett formula for devolved matters, which includes health and social care. The was the devolution agreement as democratically voted for by the people of Cymru. Bojo is now saying that this extra NI money will not go through the Senedd but straight to NHS Cymru. He is ignoring the democratic will of the people of Cymru. Get it now?

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Viola

Who is talking about statues? You were questioning why it was undemocratic so I just pointed that health and social care are devolved matters in Wales. The Welsh Government was elected by the people of Wales, who also voted for devolution in two refferenda. Boris did not get a majority of votes in Wales. Now you are talking about statues.

Marus Viola
Marus Viola
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

What aren’t you getting?

Wales is receiving UK NI money which can only be spent on health and social care alongside the other nations of the UK. Who can only spend it on health and social care.

Boris Johnson was elected as Prime Minister of the UK, which Wales is in and there and within there is no electoral appetite to leave.

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago
Reply to  Marus Viola

At present NI is collected in Westminster and the Senedd receives money according to the Barnett formula for devolved matters, which includes health and social care. The was the devolution agreement as democratically voted for by the people of Cymru. Bojo is now saying that this extra NI money will not go through the Senedd but straight to NHS Cymru. He is ignoring the democratic will of the people of Cymru. Get it now?

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

He is also an english nationalist fascist who is hell bent on looting what little powers we already have

Marcus Viola
Marcus Viola
8 months ago

Like what?

j humphrys
j humphrys
8 months ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

Where are those Brexit millions?

Marcus
Marcus
8 months ago
Reply to  j humphrys

That is structural funding that the Goverment has said will be replaced. Urban development schemes, etc.

Obviously the type of respondent on this site doesn’t understand that the UK Government has borrowed over £400 billion to get us through the pandemic.

So EU replacement funds will be delivered, but this site expects a golden elephant paid for by the English tax payer to be delivered to ever Welsh resident every Tuesday as they don’t understand economics.

Racists, xenophobes and failed dustbin bombers don’t make good businessmen.

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus

At present NI is collected in Westminster and the Senedd receives money according to the Barnett formula for devolved matters, which includes health and social care. The was the devolution agreement as democratically voted for by the people of Cymru. Bojo is now saying that this extra NI money will not go through the Senedd but straight to NHS Cymru. He is ignoring the democratic will of the people of Cymru. Get it now?

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
8 months ago

You are so wrong. Typical reply from a Unionist to say Scotland is a kept country. Say the same when they become independent in 2023 and little England starts collapsing around your ears.

William-Glyn THOMAS
William-Glyn THOMAS
8 months ago

He needs to watch out for his own health and safety. Someone is going to lose patience and book him a left hook and a place in an ambulance.

Charles L. Gallagher
Charles L. Gallagher
8 months ago

William-Glyn. Or he could suffer from a terminal attack of ‘lead poisoning, LOL.

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
8 months ago

For how much longer will Mark Drakeford accept these attacks on our devolution settlement without a struggle?

Gareth Parry
Gareth Parry
8 months ago

Time for Mark Drakeford to take a leaf from Scotland and accelerate a unified health and social care service, and raise the cap on capital to Englands level, the Llandudno / Rhos on Sea area for example is awash with care homes catering to non Welsh clients who take advantage of Wales lower cap level and push the burden on Welsh tax payers

Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
8 months ago

Once again the tory govt at westminister makes the case for Welsh indy for us

Shan Morgain
8 months ago

There’s no quote from BJ to say the extra funds have to be spent as Westminster dictates. Not saying that isn’t true but the article only says BJ is granting extra to be spent on health & social care..

Marcus Viola
Marcus Viola
8 months ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

This is horrendously bad journalism which is designed to make dogs bark at cats.

NI has gone up. Wales gets a share to spend on what it is meant for.

j humphrys
j humphrys
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Viola

It wasn’t supposed to. We were to get Millions from Brexit.

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Viola

At present NI is collected in Westminster and the Senedd receives money according to the Barnett formula for devolved matters, which includes health and social care. The was the devolution agreement as democratically voted for by the people of Cymru. Bojo is now saying that this extra NI money will not go through the Senedd but straight to NHS Cymru. He is ignoring the democratic will of the people of Cymru. Get it now?

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
8 months ago

How stupid Johnson is to not realise what his government is doing recently is going to end the UK. Pigheadedness, believing London is still in total control and just plain English colonialism will be the reason. It will mean the end of the English empire, thank goodness!

Erisian
Erisian
8 months ago

Badly misleading headline for this article – you are getting sloppy – I expect better than ‘click-bait’ from nation.cymru!

Hypothecation is a myth, it always has been.
Johnson is up to his usual smoke-and-mirrors sculduggery, with a side-order of anti-devo malice.

Jean M
Jean M
8 months ago

Health and Social Care should have never been devolved – in North Wales patients have to travel to England for a number of Health Issues – the Clue is in the name ‘National Heath Service’

Moelwen Gwyndaf
Moelwen Gwyndaf
8 months ago

At present NI is collected in Westminster and the Senedd receives money according to the Barnett formula for devolved matters, which includes health and social care. The was the devolution agreement as democratically voted for by the people of Cymru. Bojo is now saying that this extra NI money will not go through the Senedd but straight to NHS Cymru. He is ignoring the democratic will of the people of Cymru. Get it now?

Lydia
Lydia
8 months ago

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