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Conservatives advised to create 39 new Lords – as they oppose adding 36 new Senedd Members

15 Jul 2022 3 minute read
The House of Lords. Picture by the House of Lords (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0).

Conservatives have been advised to create 39 new supportive peers in the House of Lords – at the same time as they protest against creating 36 new Senedd members.

A confidential document drafted by Sir Lynton Crosby’s C|T Group and seen by ITV News suggested creating the extra Lords so that the Conservative government can avoid the frequent defeats it has suffered in Westminster’s upper chamber.

According to ITV, the document suggests avoiding criticism of the move by drawing the Lords from underrepresented parts of the UK. Wales currently has only 4% of peers – while London 24%.

Responding to ITV, the C|T Group accused it of being “against making the House of Lords more representative of the UK people with under-representation of the north and Wales”.

But the 39 new Lords figure is significant in that it is itself almost exactly the same number of new Senedd Members the Conservatives are opposing adding to the Welsh Parliament.

Yesterday Welsh Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies reiterated his opposition to creating 36 new Senedd members as part of Welsh Government and Plaid Cymru plans to reform to the institution.

70,000 people in Wales are waiting more than two years on an NHS waiting list,” he said. “Labour’s priority? Putting 36 more MSs in Cardiff Bay.”

The Conservative Senedd group have said that a referendum is needed on expanding the Senedd, a call backed by the UK Government’s Wales Office.

‘No conflicts’

First Minister Mark Drakeford has already accused the Conservatives of complaining about expansion of the Senedd on one hand while increasing the number of peers in the House of Lords on the other.

“Every nine months, the Prime Minister appoints more people to the House of Lords than we propose adding to the membership of the Senedd—every nine months. Where’s the referendum on that, I wonder?” he asked.

Boris Johnson has already appointed 79 new peers since becoming Prime Minister in 2019.

According to ITV, the C|T paper shows concern that legislation such as the Brexit Freedoms Bill and the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill could be defeated in the absence of more Tory lords.

Almost two thirds of government defeats in recent years were by fewer than 50 votes, the documents said, so 39 new peers would be needed.

A spokesperson for C|T told ITV: “The document you refer to was simply an early working copy of a discussion paper prepared for a think tank.

“It was not circulated outside of a small group of individuals and was not prepared for any audience outside of that small group of people, to aid discussion.

“Even in spite of this being simply a working draft of a discussion paper, it seems incongruous that ITV would be against making the House of Lords more representative of the UK people with under-representation of the north and Wales, as you state, or that those who accept peerages do so in the full knowledge and acceptance that they will commit fully and actively to their democratic role, and have no conflicts which would prevent them from doing so.”

A No 10 spokesperson said: “This is not a government document and does not represent government policy. Unsolicited advice is often received – and disregarded.”


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Fi yn unig
Fi yn unig
28 days ago

I’ve only read the first paragraph and my stomach turned. Ram the Lords full of Tories to maintain the one party state while complaining that Wales is trying to shut them out and be a ‘one party state’. Rather than continue to cement their one party state, they should be looking into one’s’ own party state and state how they got into this state. They should respect this islands’ other states and consider that parties got them into this state. If you think I have overused the word ‘state’, think how many times Tories use the word ‘Deliver’. THEY DON’T!

Paul
Paul
28 days ago

The Lords is already packed by the Conservatives.
According to Parliament’s website there are:
257 Conservatives
186 Crossbench
166 Labour
83 Lib Dems
36 non-affiliated (don’t know why this is different from crossbench)
25 Bishops
5 DUP
2 Green
2 UUP
1 Independent conservative
1 independent SDP
1 Independent Labour
1 Plaid Cymru
1 Lord Speaker.
(581 Peers)
Given the convention is that there are roughly equal numbers of Tories and Labour this is well out of kilter.

Welsh_Siôn
Welsh_Siôn
27 days ago
Reply to  Paul

Given the convention is that there are roughly equal numbers of Tories and Labour this is well out of kilter.

___________

Since when did this bunch of Tories ‘follow convention’ …. or even uphold the law?

I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
27 days ago
Reply to  Paul

And a partridge in a pear tree, for all the use they are to us. The world moves on, so let us move on with it. Get on the Independence train now. Say hello to BRICS:

Gareth
Gareth
27 days ago

While trying to remove our basic human rights, they now attempt to silence the second house of government, by filling it with yes men, to rubber stamp any policy they want enacted., and all the while passing laws that prevent you shouting about it in the streets, yes, you can be arrested for protesting loudly. This is a dictatorship, and if we fail to secure independence, it will be our fault that the next generation will be virtual slaves., with no rights at all.

Fi yn unig
Fi yn unig
27 days ago
Reply to  Gareth

Yes and the lyrics of the Manics song have never been so poignant. ‘If you tolerate this then your children will be next’.

Gareth
Gareth
27 days ago
Reply to  Fi yn unig

Clywch clywch.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
27 days ago

Australia’s chuck-out teaches the Tories how to cheat…they have managed well enough with the help of the Kremlin so far…

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
27 days ago

The Welsh Conservative mantra. Do as we say not as we do. Andrew RT Davies states how more Senedd members is a waste of taxpayers money citing £75 million over 5yrs could be spent on more teachers, doctors, nurses and nurses. Oh really! Where was the mouth’s criticism when his beloved Tory party in London spent £100,000 on two paintings for Downing Street’s art collection? Where was our Welsh Tory leader’s opinion when £37 billion was wasted on a useless Tory Covid track & trace app.. What about the £73,000 spent stocking up Westminster’s wine cellar that no doubt was… Read more »

Last edited 27 days ago by Y Cymro
Gareth
Gareth
27 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

Now now Cymro, we can’t expect Tory’s in Cymru to criticise their masters in London, if they did , it could harm the chance of a place in the expanded house of lords. England and her glory is all that matters to a Tory in Cymru, Dic Sion Dafydd’s, every last one of them.

Last edited 27 days ago by Gareth
Y Cymro
Y Cymro
27 days ago
Reply to  Gareth

He’s a Conservative chinless wonder. When billions is wasted in England Andrew RT Davies is deaf and certainly dumb. Millions spent to improve Welsh democracy, all of a sudden his gob goes into overdrive and he states it’s a waste of taxpayers money. Never has one man produced so much bull****.

Last edited 27 days ago by Y Cymro
Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
27 days ago

The Senedd cost £69,600,000 to build.
Renovating Westminster is quoted at £22,000,000,000.
We could build 316 brand new parliaments for what they intend in that there London.

Last edited 27 days ago by Kerry Davies

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