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‘English nationalist’ Boris Johnson will ‘break up UK’ says former Tory party chairman

23 Jun 2022 2 minutes Read
Boris Johnson picture by Twitter / @BorisJohnson

Boris Johnson leads an “English nationalist” UK Government that will “hasten the break-up of the union” a former chairman of the Conservative Party has said.

Lord Patten, who was the last Governor of Hong Kong until 1997, told LBC that despite being a Conservative he wanted Boris Johnson to lose the next general election.

He feared the union was “really in threat” in the hands of the Prime Minister, adding: “You want to break up the union you send Boris Johnson up to Scotland.”

Asked by presenter Andrew Marr about the possibility of a second term in power for the Prime Minister, he said that “I think what it would do is hasten the break-up of the union”.

“I think that’s true of Scotland and England. I think it’s probably a threat given the way in which the Northern Ireland Protocol is being played, terrible playing fast and loose with the most important peace agreement this country has reached in years over Northern Ireland.

“I think we’re talking about the possible break-up of the union in those circumstances.”

‘Unpopular’

Asked what outcome he would prefer after the next General Election, Chris Patten said that he “would prefer to see probably a coalition which holds the union together”.

He added that he did not believe that the current government was a true Conservative government, describing it as “English nationalist”.

“It’s, unfortunately, both populist and unpopular which is a terrible combination,” he said.

“For me the Conservatives, unless they change very radically, winning the next election would be a disaster for them and the rest of us because I don’t think we have a Conservative government at the moment… and one that you can’t trust.”


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Dave
Dave
7 days ago

Happy Days, this must be the Brexit bonus they keep talking about #IndyWales

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
7 days ago
Reply to  Dave

There are far too many English settlers in Wales for an Independence referendum to win. What is likely to happen is that NI and Scotland will go and the lumpen mass of the electorate in England will wish us gone.

Jack
Jack
7 days ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

It’s foolish to assume English people living in Wales won’t support independence.
Plenty already do, and many more can be persuaded with the right argument.
But if we demonise them as ‘settlers’ then they won’t support it.

Last edited 7 days ago by Jack
DILWYN ROBERTS-YOUNG
DILWYN ROBERTS-YOUNG
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack

I agree with you Jack! They are part of our communities and many will have children who will share our passion for Wales and the Welsh language. Of course, many of the people who have moved here will have already embraced our communities and lead on matters that will bring us independence. Making them feel detached is a dangerous approach and does not serve Wales well. We must ensure that our arguments show a road to better, healthier communities where people feel valued and all are treated equally.

Roderich Heier
Roderich Heier
7 days ago

Liz Saville Roberts. English by birth. A champion for Cymru/Wales and all things Welsh.

hdavies15
hdavies15
7 days ago
Reply to  Roderich Heier

More an exception rather than the norm at present, but a shock to the system like another 2 years of blundering Boris and his mob and our community of settlers and native true blues may begin to see the virtue of dismantling the UK.

Richard
Richard
6 days ago
Reply to  Roderich Heier

Yr Arglwydd Dafydd Wigley o
Derby yn wreiddol hefyd.

Tarquin ap Piers
Tarquin ap Piers
2 days ago
Reply to  Jack

As an English man I want Englnd to ceede from the Union Post haste. I want DVLA jobs plus tax office jobs plus the Royal Mint no longer will England subsidise Wales.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
7 days ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

Only 22% of the population were born outside Wales, ie. in England, and a proportion of them already support independence anyway. What we need is more action, less dithering and a clear strategy from Plaid and Yes Cymru.

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
7 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Sadly many Welsh people are anti-Welsh themselves

Richard
Richard
6 days ago
Reply to  Stephen Owen

Agree. The views by some who add comment here just think its imcomers, second home folk and a few landed tories and ‘ uncle Toms ‘ who are doing down Wales.

I fear that a good look in tbe mirror might help for many closer to home …..?

Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
7 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Is 22% the actual figure from The ONS?

Last edited 6 days ago by Johnny Gamble
I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
6 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Only?!

The Original Mark
The Original Mark
6 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Totally agree with the less dithering and forming a clear strategy, but just to add, according to Oxford Professor Danny Dorling, there are around 21% which equates to 650,000 born in England and a quarter of them are over 65, and it was those numbers that carried the brexit vote in Wales, maybe they will see our independence in the same way they saw the UK’s break from the EU, taking back control, I won’t hold my breath.

Paul
Paul
7 days ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

Whatever gets the job done is fine. That noted, polling should be conducted to determine sentiment for independence by country of birth. If it is highly likely that English born will vote majority No, then a ‘brexit style’ vote to exclude them should be the way forward.

Not My Real Name
Not My Real Name
7 days ago

Good. If this oaf does nothing else, let’s hope he does that. But he does not control the divorce settlement

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 days ago

He is not English he is a ‘Citizen of Nowhere’ a real ‘nowhere person’ like his cabinet…

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 days ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

I could have said that Boris is a Turkish/American tax dodger using the name Johnson which was adopted to protect his grandfather’s identity after Ali Kemal was assassinated by the Ottomans. But that is only a part of his family history without getting into the von Pfeffel side of the family who are all German and French refugee minor aristocrats…see Trump for comparison of skin deep nationality…now I need to lie down in a darkened room…

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
7 days ago

Boris Johnson is an English imperialist plain and simple, and I emphasise the simple. And where Welsh & Scottish nationalism is a force for good his blinkered ideology is from a regressive time when England used the facade of Britain to turn half the globe pink. And we in Wales have the unenviable title of being England’s first trophy nation exploited and subsequent blueprint thereafter. And I find with Brexit that Boris Johnson’s intentions are to reignite the long dead embers of empire, which is the equiverlent of him trying to squeeze his now fat belly into a pair a… Read more »

Last edited 7 days ago by Y Cymro
The Original Mark
The Original Mark
6 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

Trouble is, its not just johnson, the tories want to retain power at all costs, if that means keeping johnson in place, that is what will happen, until another election winner can be found, the only people likely to put their names forward any time soon are even worse than johnson, the UK is in a tail spin and the only way out is to break up the UK or put up with the ever worsening crisis. I don’t trust the tories to ever make the right decision for the UK,

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
7 days ago

Unless Westminster, in general, changes it’s approach to, not just the other countries of the UK, but northern areas of England too, the UK as we know it will not exist in 2030. Maybe even changing now is too late – the damage has been done. People in Cymru deserve better – it won’t happen within the Union. Time for independence.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
7 days ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

Let’s hope they don’t change their approach.

Gary H
Gary H
7 days ago

At last – a sensible Tory, even if you don’t agree with him. Pity he’s a yesterday’s man!

Fi yn unig
Fi yn unig
7 days ago

Politics is a funny old game. If Chris Patten is right and Johnson does break up the Union, those of us on here who despise the man could be chanting ‘Boris, our hero!’. Well at least he would finally have ‘delivered’ something worthwhile.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
7 days ago

Well, let’s hope he cracks on with it then.

DAI Ponty
DAI Ponty
7 days ago

I have always said it will be England will break up the disunited kingdom because the believe they will be better off they say the 3 Celtic nations are a drain on their finances the Propaganda coming from the Tory backed Propaganda press DAILY MAIL DAILY EXPRESS and others so carry on the good work Boris and your propaganda papers it will hasten Wales getting out of this god forsaken union

I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
6 days ago

We love Boris! If I was English, I would be a nationalist, and would be supporting getting back to the English Bill Of Rights, which as far as I know is extant? Cymru could well take this Bill up in part, as it’s a very good basis for a successful society.

Last edited 6 days ago by I.Humphrys

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