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Lee Waters to step down from transport post

04 Mar 2024 3 minute read
Lee Waters MS, Deputy Minister for Climate Change

Lee Waters, the minister in charge of implementing Wales’ 20mph default speed limit, has announced his intention to step down from his transport role.

Mr Waters’ position as Deputy Minister for Climate Change was pivotal in rolling out the 20mph default speed limit for Wales, which came into force on September 17 2023.

Deleting account

Announcing his decision on X today (4 March 2024), he wrote: “Over the last 15 years I’ve spent far too much time on Twitter.

“It stopped being fun a while ago but I now get a pile of malign comments for even the most innocuous posts.

“When I leave my transport role in a fortnight I’ll be deleting my account. Elon can shove it up his X”

 

“No confidence”

Mr Waters faced a vote of no confidence, tabled by the Welsh Conservatives back in September 2023.

Before the debate, Welsh Tory shadow minister for transport Natasha Asghar said: “His position is untenable, it’s time for him to go.”

Wales is the first country in the UK to reduce the default speed from 30mph to 20mph on restricted roads and the controversial policy has drawn support as well as opposition.

A petition calling for the Welsh Government to scrap the new 20mph default speed limit has attracted the most signatures since the Senedd was created back in 1999.

Mr Waters also became a target for some opponents of the introduction of the limit.

“Sigh of relief”

Responding to the news that Mr Waters was stepping down, Andrew RT Davies, leader of the Welsh Conservatives in the Senedd, shared a photo of Mr Waters on his Instagram account, accompanying his post with the Spice Girls’ song, ‘Goodbye’.

His Instagram post said: “Lee Waters, the man who imposed 20mph speed limits on Wales, has announced he’s standing down.

“This will relieve many Welsh people. But sadly it’s false hope.”

“Lee Waters imposed 20mph speed limits on Wales with the support of Labour, Plaid and the Lib Dems.

“We’ll get more of the same from his successor.”

He previously said: “Motorists and business owners across Wales will breathe a sigh of relief at this news.

“The Deputy Minister’s time in post has been characterised by one anti-motorist policy after another, slowing Wales down and doing serious damage to our economy.

“It’s time to scrap the road building ban, scrap the 20mph speed limit, and implement a transport policy that gets Wales moving.”


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Richard 1
Richard 1
7 months ago

I’d rather he showed more courage by staying on to defend his original VERY SANE initiative.

Another Richard
Another Richard
7 months ago
Reply to  Richard 1

Yes, it’s a fundamentally sound policy, which cannot be said for many Welsh Government initiatives.

John Smith
John Smith
7 months ago

I am not sure what was sound about it? Cars pollute more at lower speeds, they were not designed or geared for 20mph. That is an engineering fact. The safety issue is also ropey as only 80odd people die on Welsh roads every year, and we don’t separate speeding from heart attacks. The policy will save statistically 3-4 people a year from death costing £40-100M, which would save more lives in early cancer diagnosis.. Statistically accidents to current and past police data go up in 20mph zones. Everyone agrees with 20mph in the right areas such as schools and populated… Read more »

David
David
7 months ago
Reply to  Richard 1

No it wasn’t at night I’m.forced to drive 20 mph, worse followed some idiot doing 16 mph

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago

So Drakeford and one of his twelve disciples leaves the table, may the rest follow smartly…

Who picks up the tab ? We the people of Cymru do…

To see the back of Rani Morgan would give the soul of my dear departed mother in law some solace…

Last edited 7 months ago by Mab Meirion
hdavies15
hdavies15
7 months ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

Get rid of the lot of them. However at the next Senedd elections you can be assured that most of our dopey electorate won’t even turn out to cast a vote so we end up getting lumbered with same old, same old ….

WelshNatter
WelshNatter
7 months ago

Great news

Christine Jones
Christine Jones
7 months ago

“Taxi for Mr Waters”. It will be a slow one, of course.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago

A day of rejoicing in Llanbedr…the underhand so and so…

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago

That good little droid Andrew R2D2 is just a hypocritical pile of dogsh!te, always willing to do what his masters in Westminster instruct him to do.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago

Let’s hope the next transport minister is from the rural heart of Cymru…

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Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

Why? 80% of the population of Wales live urban areas. This idea that rural Wales is the ‘heart’ of Wales is a myth and a very damaging one at that.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

Oops…my view across the river of Cader Idris in it’s snow topped majestic beauty says different…say hiya to Fireman Sam…ha ha ha…

Last edited 7 months ago by Mab Meirion
Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

So how is the view through your rose tinted specs?

Be sure to say shwmae to Tractor Tom.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

No roses just raw nature, the honk of the Geese and the tide rising and falling with the moon. I can see from the Bwlch to the Bridge, with the gold hills like a Swiss Cheese behind me, no coal tips but quartzfalls tumbling down through the wood planted by soldiers returned home after the Battle of the Nile to mark the Peace after war and Iolo’s mate’s lending library beyond the old ship yards and beyond that the center of the course cloth industry. I too grew up with my own Pandy… No Roses just pure Hanes Cymru, tara..… Read more »

Last edited 7 months ago by Mab Meirion
Geoff Ryan
Geoff Ryan
7 months ago

It’s obvious that Andrew RT Davies doesn’t believe there is a serious environmental crisis which threatens the very ability of humans to continue to inhabit our planet. He clearly believes we can continue to pollute the atmosphere, damage people’s health, continue to increase global temperatures (which last year passed the 1.5 degrees agreed at the Paris Climate Conference on every single day) without affecting ourselves and the planet. The bad news for those who believe we can continue in the same old way without any harmful effects is that the measures taken so far by the Labour government, while a… Read more »

Mandi A
Mandi A
7 months ago

To pop up again as Mr Miles’ right-hand man, be careful what you wish for

Mab
Mab
7 months ago

Good. I hope he takes his stupid policies with him.

Erisian
Erisian
7 months ago

Why even bother quoting what R2D2 says – we know he is only capable of bile and soundbites and the endless shrill of dog-whistle-politics.

Why vote
Why vote
7 months ago

Wonder if he will reverse the restrictions on the M4 as the other government has removed the speed restrictions on the M1 and M6 before he goes or must we wait a lifetime to get back to some resemblance of normality in the transport sector.

David
David
7 months ago
Reply to  Why vote

I agree driving on the m4 at night empty but I have to do 50mph

Mike Thomas
Mike Thomas
7 months ago

I will miss him myself as will many others I think he is a great guy and a visionary with the will to actually do things rather than just talk about them.

His 20mph legacy is the envy of most of the civilized world and many countries such as Scotland and much of England plan follow his plans in the coming years.

Simon Hughes
Simon Hughes
7 months ago
Reply to  Mike Thomas

Are you living in the real world or land Drakeford? The speed limit policy was setup by those believing that they live in a Communist country where what the Government says is what will be. We reside in a democracy this policy was opaque in description in Labour’s manifesto much as an after thought to fill a few lines and calm the environmental lobby. I have triple glazing, fully insulated property, solar panels and drive an EV. Can any of these politicians say the same? Lead by example not by dictating against the electorate. Your job is to fulfil your… Read more »

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  Simon Hughes

The speed limit policy was introduced by a democratically elected government and was included in that aforementioned democratically elected government’s election manifesto. It was debated in the Senedd by democratically elected representatives from four political parties, some of whom supported it and some of whom opposed it. It was voted on in the Senedd by those very same democratically elected representatives from four political parties, some of whom supported it and some of whom opposed it. If you really believe that the 20mph speed limit is ‘communist’ then you have clearly disappeared down the bunny hole of right-wing conspiracy theories.… Read more »

David
David
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

I can’t recall anyone I speak too saying they wanted 30 mph, try inforcing the 30mph would be better or even 25mph

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  David

Well I do and so do many of the people I mix with.

Like I said, just because you (and your family, friends and aquantances) don’t like a particular policy introduced by a particular government that you don’t like doesn’t make it ‘communist’.

There are lots of policies introduced by the tories in Westminster which I don’t like but that doens’t make them ‘fascist’.

cablestreet
cablestreet
7 months ago
Reply to  Simon Hughes

Well some of us can’t afford triple glazing, solar panels or an EV as much as we’d love to, but one of the main reasons for the 20mph limit was road safety. The same injuries or worse can be caused at 30 mph whatever powers your car.
As far as Lee Waters is concerned, if the abuse he receives from the likes knuckledraggers who comment on WalesonLine is anything to go by I really don’t blame him one bit. Thank you Lee Waters.

Jeff
Jeff
7 months ago

He is quite right about twitter. It is now a cess pit and full of hate. Best thing the world can do is cancel their accounts and let musk suffer. But then hate can be stoked by opposing the 20mph in the right area’s such as calling it a blanket ban and favouriting channels like gbeebies or certain motoring sites to spout off nonsense.

But ARTD celebrating the way he does, he did that with 30p lee. Hows that going?

Jeff
Jeff
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Twitter looks to have added a new feature that can dox you, reporters and vulnerable and politicos, be very worried about this.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Anybody with any sense has ditched Twitter for anything serious, and are using Signal or Telegram.

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Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Agree with you about Twitter, but Musk is unlikely to suffer, mores the pity. He, and people like him will just get richer while we all get poorer. Listen to Gary Stevenson on YouTube.

Mai
Mai
7 months ago

This is what happens when you think you can headbutt the nation into submission on a vast range of topics – you may bite off more than you can chew and end up with a headache. Let this be the last in a line of authoritarian, blinkered, climate obsessed politicians that think they can carry on regardless. Heed the voices and protests from the Welsh people & farmers on matters of bad policy and wasteful ideologically driven spending that we disagree with. Consider OUR priorities over yours and far above your career ambitions. We can distinguish between good leadership and… Read more »

Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
7 months ago

Lee Waters’ statement is a fitting way to quit the hate filled cesspit that is musk’s X and also to announce that he will be stepping down as Wales’ transport minister. I feel bound to say that, with the possible exception of Leanne Wood, i can’t think of a politician in Wales in modern times who’s been the target of more vile online abuse and threats than Lee Waters. And it hasn’t only come from people opposed to efforts save lives on Welsh roads – it’s also come from far right bigots opposed to UK home office plans (now dropped)… Read more »

Last edited 7 months ago by Leigh Richards
Mai
Mai
7 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

I recognise some grain of truth there – you will always get haters – but it is odd how some politicians never have to navigate such troubles? Drakeford and Waters get HUGE grief because they are haughty, evasive and have an excuse for everything. And they NEVER listen to negative feedback. They just double down as they are right and we are wrong – they think THAT is leadership. Its not. Its also hardly the stuff of endearment to the electorate – I shan’t even mention Waters’ constituency neglect and his selfish selection of topics to engage or disengage with.… Read more »

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago

please stop quoting rt it scares the kids

Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
7 months ago

Can we now please get the M4 relief motorway around Newport built

Jeff
Jeff
7 months ago
Reply to  Johnny Gamble

They expanded the M5. It blocked up. They installed smart motorway. It blocked up and killed people.

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  Johnny Gamble

Building more roads just leads to more traffic.

David
David
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

And

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  David

And more traffi congestion. In other words, building more roads isn’t the answer.

Mai
Mai
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

And how is the population growth looking Mr Solution? Should this resource deployment not aim to match natural population growth? Or just head in the sand and shout bicycle?

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
7 months ago

I’m sad that he is standing down. He actually did some great things in transport. E.g., Fflecsi, One Bus tickets , TrawsCymru. When I wrote to him about a couple of issues, he was very helpful. Diolch Mr Waters.

I wish him all the best for the future.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
7 months ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

You don’t fancy a job being First Minister Mr Williams, there would not be a cross word in the Senedd.

I really won’t miss grumpy Mr Drakeford or the Transport Minister or that Cry-Baby Smiles, how anyone can take that man seriously is beyond me. I’ll stop there…

CapM
CapM
7 months ago

Regarding cars as a society we’re reliant upon them but also we’re addicted to using them. Reducing the reliance part can only really be addressed at government level. The addiction part is down to us all. The 20mph limit can have an effect on the addiction but the Labour government either didn’t have sufficiently complementary measures to reduce reliance or if it did it not make a good enough job of “selling” the whole package to the public. The arguments against us taking actions to reduce our reliance and addiction to car use are basically one or more of the… Read more »

Mai
Mai
7 months ago
Reply to  CapM

You are addicted to saying addiction! People find their cars practical, reliable, better value, more convenient, safer, quicker and far more usable and dependable than any public transport in Wales. That isn’t ‘addiction’ that is a decision and solution borne of necessity. There is a reason people use the Tube in London as the go-to public transport – it increases their convenience as solo travellers and reduces their journey time. Simple – we have the OPPOSITE in most cases! So, bring it on here – in the meantime get a bit of perspective over a car journey in Wales for… Read more »

adopted cardi
adopted cardi
7 months ago

A good man.
Am not a Labour supporter, but Plaid.
Plaid could do with Lee on their side.
20 mph great idea – those who want the faster track in the Rat Race – Offa’s Dyle is thataway… don’t stop when you get there, and don’t come back!

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  adopted cardi

However, a great many English councils (including – gasp – tory ones) have adopted the 20 mph speed limit long before Wales did. If anything Wales was behind on this one.

adopted cardi
adopted cardi
7 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

well, the more the Merrier. Scotland too as I remember. I am English/Irish. The reason we moved to Wales all those years ago was to get away from Mrs Thatchers rat race. The steady old job i was in for 20 years became just that. Our unions had brought the weeks work to 11 hours a day from 16+ when I started. thatcher took it back to 15 hours a day. So don’t talk to me about the bleedin’ tories Barry !. They have wrecked peoples lives wholesale. All they do is create poverty and hardship for the likes of… Read more »

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
7 months ago
Reply to  adopted cardi

I’m not a tory supporter, I was just pointing out that a great many English councils – including tory ones – have introduced the 20mph limit before Wales. By pointing out that many of these councils are tory ones I was merely highlighting the hypocrisy of the Welsh tories.

Jonathan Dean
Jonathan Dean
7 months ago

Did Arty Davies (Welsh Labour’s greatest asset) really manage to say all that without using the word “blanket” once?

NOT Grayham Jones
NOT Grayham Jones
7 months ago

Im sure Lee Waters is a secret Tory as his policies have done more to help the Tories vote in Wales than anything ARTD could ever do. He has also set back the Nationalist movement by several years.

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