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Mordaunt claims MP numbers would surpass 2,000 if Westminster adopted Senedd reforms

01 Feb 2024 2 minute read
Leader of the House of Commons Penny Mordaunt. Photo Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire

The House of Commons would need to accommodate more than 2,000 MPs if it adopted a similar expansion to the Senedd, Penny Mordaunt has claimed.

Legislation tabled by the Labour-run Welsh Government, as part of the co-operation agreement with Plaid Cymru, seeks to increase the number of Senedd members from 60 to 96 while also making changes to how they are elected.

Commons Leader Ms Mordaunt said she is “shocked” by the plan and said an equivalent move for the UK Parliament on the same constituent-to-politician ratio would result in an increase from 650 MPs to 2,058.

Ynys Môn

Speaking at business questions, Conservative MP Virginia Crosbie (Ynys Môn) said: “Ynys Môn is represented by five members of the Senedd, soon to increase to six, and merge with another constituency, which could result in not one MS living on Ynys Môn.

“Conversely the UK Government has recognised Ynys Môn’s unique island character by granting the island special protected status.

“Does the Leader of the House agree with me that the Welsh Labour Government, propped up by Plaid, should be prioritising increasing the number of GP and dentist appointments, not increasing the number of MSs by a staggering 60% from 60 to 96?”

Shocked

Ms Mordaunt replied: “I’m shocked to hear about this plan to massively increase the number of MSs.”

She said the answer to improve healthcare is “seldom more politicians, it’s usually more GPs”, adding: “Just to put this in context, on the same constituent-to-politician ratio as the plan they are outlining in Wales, if that were transferred to the House of Commons this chamber would have to accommodate 2,058 Members of Parliament.

“That is Labour’s blueprint for governing Britain I think.”

Under-represented

A Welsh Government spokesperson said: “Wales is the most under-represented country in the UK – and the UK Government has made this worse by cutting the number of Welsh MPs from 40 to 32 at the next general election.

“Our once-in-a-generation Senedd reform plans have been in progress since 2017 and will strengthen democracy in Wales.

“The changes – which are currently being debated by members of the Senedd – will create a modern Senedd better able to represent the people of Wales, with increased capacity to scrutinise, make laws, and hold the government to account.”


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Dai Ponty
Dai Ponty
21 days ago

What is it to this interfering women nothing to do with her the Tory party or the english Northern Ireland have a million plus people less than Wales but a lot more members of their Parliament

Cwm Rhondda
Cwm Rhondda
21 days ago

We are trying to build a fully functioning nation state! Some people (like Penny Mordaunt) know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Fi yn unig
Fi yn unig
21 days ago

Planning ahead for our freedom we are Penny instead of waiting for ever decreasing crumbs from your table.

Kathleen
Kathleen
21 days ago

….and if rice were pennies I would have £7.50 in my jar…..

….It must really sicken creepy closet fascists like Mordred, I mean Moribund, I mean Arty Morty, I mean a pile of old dogs poo, I mean Mordant to see democratic choice, structure and accountability increased when their hearts burn with a desire to be the fifth riech.

Frank
Frank
21 days ago

I am not in favour of adding more AMs to the Senedd but I think Mordaunt is sticking her nose into Wales’ affairs far too often. England has as many problems as us and she should concentrate on getting her own house in order before contradicting others. In other words Penny…. mind your own business.

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Blinedig
Blinedig
20 days ago
Reply to  Frank

Can I look forward to the Cymry complaining about the situation in North Portsmouth? Thankfully not. Better things to do.

Jeff
Jeff
21 days ago

What the hell Charlie boys sword carrier babbling on about now. Stick to carrying swords, it was all you were good at. Look what her party has done to the UK. It is a mess, it is a ruin, brexit is a massive own goal.

The Tory party has no trouble stuffing the Lords so best keep quiet.

All this is for the Senedd is getting the right balance.

Maglocunos
Maglocunos
21 days ago

Can’t someone clarify this dreadful Tory’s gaslighting?

The 5 – 6 ASs are the elected representatives of the whole of the North Wales electoral region of Senedd Cymru  including AberconwyAlyn and DeesideArfonClwyd SouthClwyd WestDelynVale of ClwydWrexham and Ynys Môn.. There is no separate AS for Ynys Môn and perhaps there should be.

Is that the point she’s trying to make?

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Maglocunos
Maglocunos
21 days ago
Reply to  Maglocunos

No separate North Wales regional AS that is.
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Maglocunos
Maglocunos
21 days ago

What is she on about???

Has Virginia forgotten that Rhun ap Iorwerth is the elected AS for Ynys Môn?

And did she actually live in Ynys Môn herself when the snatched the election in 2019 anyway??

steve
steve
20 days ago

Wow, just wait until she hears about the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Scottish Parliament numbers!

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
20 days ago

What is wrong with Penny, why the grief about the Senedd, has it anything to do with her brother and Bristol Docks?

Rhosddu
Rhosddu
20 days ago

Mordant has got a bee in her bonnet about Wales. Her little speech is a blend of ignorance and arrogance, and also presumption in thinking it’s anything to do with her. She represents a type who would legislate Wales out of existence if she could.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
20 days ago
Reply to  Rhosddu

Trying to legislate Wales out of existence was tried about 500 years ago… Didn’t work very well, and I’m sure any other attempts by the incompetent Tories will fail as miserably as their current period of rule.

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
20 days ago

She is ‘shocked’ by our democratic reforms, not that it is any of her business, yet the Tories have packed out the unelected House of Lords with their chums!

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Gwyn Hopkins
Gwyn Hopkins
20 days ago

Mordaunt should be far more shocked at the very large number of unelected, privileged Members of the House of Lords. Moreover, if the ratios of population (67 million) to representatives in the House of Commons (650) and House of Lords (783) were repeated in the USA there would be about 3,250 Members in the House of Representatives (instead of the current 435) and 4,000 Senate Members (instead of 100).  By comparison to the USA the people of the UK are therefore grossly over-represented at the Palace of Westminster. Is she shocked at that?    

Ieuan Evans
Ieuan Evans
20 days ago

I seem to remember that the London Government consists of approx 1500 members, the majority of whom are unelected..

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
20 days ago

May I remind Penny Mordaunt that since 1999 Wales has had only 60 Senedd members to run a country of 3.1 million people, where Northern Ireland, a country only created in 1921 after partition that is geographically half the size of Wales, has less population, initially had 110 MLSs to Wales 60 until their Assembly was reduced to 90 after a cut in constituencies from 6 to 5 that took effect in 2017. And this font of knowledge forgets that Wales will be losing 8 or its 40 MPs and England gaining 10 more to the 533 it already has… Read more »

Gareth
Gareth
20 days ago

Thank you for sharing your views on our democratic constitution, but, who are you, why do you think you or your views are relevant to us, and finally, whatever your answers, nobody cares.

Marc
Marc
20 days ago

And yet they stuff the Lords with as many Tory Piers as possible

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Jeff
Jeff
20 days ago

Ah, see, her government has us in good hands.

How is Mr Barrowman doing anyway.
rishi-sunaks-new-business-council-riddled-with-rule-breakers-totalling-more-than-900m-in-fines-in-a-decade

hdavies15
hdavies15
20 days ago

Dormant Mordaunt, who woke her up ? Odd thing she’s very woke on some fashionably woke matters but brutally insensitive when it comes to matters relating to our national identity and status.

David
David
18 days ago

Well,let’s put it to the people. Ask the Welsh public if we should build a bigger trough for our politicians to shove their snouts in. At the same time let’s ask them if we should shut the glass shed in the bay down. I know what the answer will be. That’s why it won’t be asked!!!!

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