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Plaid Cymru could lose 42 seats and control of Carmarthenshire Council amid Labour surge, new poll projects

03 May 2022 5 minute read
Carmarthenshire County Hall viewed from across the River Towy. Photo Rhyshuw1, licensed under GNU Free Documentation License. Leader Adam Price picture by Plaid Cymru.

A new poll of the local elections has projected that Labour could take Carmarthenshire as Plaid Cymru lose 42 of their 193 seats across Wales.

Plaid Cymru currently hold 37 seats on Carmarthenshire council and form an administration with 13 independents, while Labour only hold 17 seats. Part of the county, Carmarthen East and Dinefwr, is also held by Plaid Cymru at both Westminster and Senedd level.

Nevertheless, Carmarthenshire is among the ‘councils predicted to change hands’ according to a poll by Electoral Calculus and Find Out Now.

After a poor showing in 2017 Labour are predicted to return to levels of support last seen in the mid-90s, taking a swathe of Plaid Cymru and Conservative seats with them.

However the only other council in Wales predicted to change hands is the Vale of Glamorgan, returning to the Conservative fold. The Tories won 23 seats at the Vale of Glamorgan in 2017 before infighting reduced their number to 15, handing control to a coalition of Labour, independents and Llantwist First.

The poll of 2,148 GB adults was conducted between 27-28 April, and predicts a swing of 6percent to Labour away from Conservatives. The prediction is that Labour will gain around 16 councils and are not expected to lose any.

Martin Baxter, CEO of Electoral Calculus, said: “These results would also be good for Keir Starmer, who needs to get his first real electoral gains since becoming Labour leader. The opposition doesn’t normally win a general election without winning other elections first, and Labour have to show that they can do that.”

‘Labour Britain’

Across the nations of the UK the survey, conducted by Electoral Calculus with Find Out Now, suggested that Labour could be on course to gain more than 800 seats, while the Tories are likely to lose 548 seats on councils across the country.

Predictions about the result of the local elections on Thursday May 5 come as the Government faces criticism for the partygate scandal and pressure to intervene on the cost-of-living crisis.

However veteran elections expert Professor Sir John Curtice meanwhile emphasised that as voting was mainly taking place in “Labour Britain”, vast changes to the political map were unlikely, but did predict the “risk” of Tory losses in London.

Professor Curtice told the PA News Agency that it was hard to predict the outcome of local elections, adding the loss of 550 seats was “not unrealistic”.

“The history of local elections is littered with failed attempts to accurately forecast the number of gains and losses in terms of seats,” he said.

On claims that the results could be the worst for the Conservatives since the 1990s, Professor Curtice said the picture was “distorted” by the fact that elections are taking place in Scotland, Wales and London, which are “not particularly” Tory-voting areas.

Professor Curtice said: “The figures in terms of the Labour Party being 15 points ahead, that is a function not of some gigantic change, because actually once you take these figures and relay them back to 2018, it is a relatively small movement.

“It is because it is Labour Britain that is voting in the first place.”

However, Professor Curtice forecast there was a “risk of a couple of iconic Tory losses in London”, including the London borough of Wandsworth.

‘Unnerve’

The Electoral Calculus survey suggested that the Conservatives could lose Wandsworth, Westminster and Barnet borough councils in London, as well as Southampton, Newcastle-under-Lyme and Thurrock elsewhere.

Lord Hayward, the Conservative peer and election analyst, predicted the Tories have more to be worried about from losing seats to the Lib Dems in “county town England”, than to Labour in larger towns and cities.

He said it was “possible but not certain” that the Conservatives could lose control of long-held London boroughs, forecasting likely losses of between 250 and 350 seats for the Tories across England, Scotland and Wales.

But he predicted the Conservatives would be more likely to lose seats to the Lib Dems than to Labour.

Lord Hayward said: “The reason I say it will be a bad loss is because a fair proportion of the losses will be to the Lib Dems in the shire counties – the Surreys, the Hertfordshires, the Oxfordshires of this world.

“The reason that will be bad is because it will unnerve many of the Conservative MPs.”

He added: “It is small town England, or county town England where people are going to be unnerved, where they won the seats in 2010 and 2015.”

The Conservative peer, who predicted the Brexit vote result, said predictions of high Tory losses could be “expectation management”.

Lord Hayward said: “On the Tory side it is trying to up the numbers of losses that they expect. On the Labour side, their argument is that even that would be their best results in a decade.”

He added: “They (Labour) are saying it will be the best for a decade, but that in itself is not a major achievement given their terrible under-performance in recent years.”

‘Confident’

In an interview with BBC Radio London, the Prime Minister was asked whether the Conservatives losing Wandsworth borough council could lead to his resignation.

Boris Johnson told the BBC: “I am very, very confident that we have the right approach to the finances of local government.

“I think Wandsworth councillors are superb, they deliver value for money, and the reason they have the lowest council tax in the country is because of four decades of sensible financial management by Conservatives.”


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Paul
Paul
7 months ago

Carmarthen East is not held by Plaid at Westminster, it was won by them in 2019 but is not held now. Please correct basic facts like this as otherwise you loose credibility.

Cymru Cymraeg
Cymru Cymraeg
7 months ago
Reply to  Paul

The current MP (who was elected on a Plaid ballot) is canvassing and campaigning for local Plaid candidates who are hoping to be Plaid councillors!

Llinos
Llinos
7 months ago
Reply to  Paul

*lose

R W
R W
7 months ago

So 2,148 were questioned across the UK. That means around 107 were questioned in Wales as we have around 5% of the population here. You can’t really make any accurate predictions of what will happen with such a small number questioned for the poll.

Glyn Morris
Glyn Morris
7 months ago
Reply to  R W

I reckon what the author has done is to look at the difficulties Plaid have faced on leading Carmarthen council and the UK parliamentary seat and extrapolated it to make a prediction

So it may be an accurate prediction but nothing to do with any UK wide polls

Results elsewhere may be vastly different.

R W
R W
7 months ago
Reply to  Glyn Morris

It’s still irresponsible of NC to try to extrapolate a result for the county when it is likely that only five or six people from Carmarthenshire were actually asked which way they would vote. We are seeing a great deal of guesswork and assumptions in this article. Not my idea of responsible reporting at all!!

gaynor jones
gaynor jones
7 months ago
Reply to  R W

Ther is too much material and “stories” on this site which originate elsewhere and are just copy and pasted in, How about some original journlaism and proper research

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
7 months ago

Adam Price is such an ineffectual leader. If this happens (big IF)…he’s got to go! For the sake of his party and Cymru!!

CJPh
CJPh
7 months ago
Reply to  Dai Rob

Who would you like to see in his place?

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
7 months ago
Reply to  CJPh

Sadly, there is not an obvious replacement. Plaid are very short of capable personnel!!

Gill
Gill
7 months ago
Reply to  Dai Rob

Jonathon Edwards is far more visible , charismatic and has more support in the constituency than Adam has at the mo. Everybody I speak to from Plaid members to ordinary voters are asking themselves the same question -What on earth happened to the man, he has become invisible and ineffectual, unfocused and wet. Edwards does an excellent job of representing his constituents . It was very sad to see Leanne Wood , who did a fantastic job of leading Plaid nowhere… shooting off about banning Jonathon from Plaid the other day. What business is it of hers, carry on swimming… Read more »

Gruff Williams
Gruff Williams
7 months ago
Reply to  CJPh

Neil McEvoy

Quornby
Quornby
7 months ago
Reply to  CJPh

Rhun or bring Liz back from London.

Glen
Glen
7 months ago
Reply to  Dai Rob

Plaid badly needs a leader with charisma, something they have sadly lacked since giving Dafydd Wigley the boot.

Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
7 months ago
Reply to  Glen

Plaid had such a leader – leanne wood – but plaid members voted her out

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
7 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

Awful leader. As well as repulsing Plaids membership, she repulsed voters too, hence why Plaid made no headway under her!

Glen
Glen
7 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

Leanne was a disastrous leader as election results under her leadership proved.
Voters are turned off by the hard left.

Jack
Jack
7 months ago

Plaid have been stagnant for years, never making any serious gains despite all the turmoil in UK politics in the last decade.

Some losses might be the kick up the backside they need to get themselves sorted. Change is needed.

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
7 months ago

Not a surprise. It’s called the Stockholm Syndrome. The Welsh are suckers for embracing ones who politically use and abuse them.

Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
7 months ago

Applying a british wide poll to one county in Wales is nonsense. Appalled Nation Cymru is promoting this baseless anti plaid narrative!

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
7 months ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

The general swing towards labour, across the UK, is bound to have a knock on effect on Plaid here….can’t you see that?

Y cymra
Y cymra
7 months ago

Will Adam price go after this?

Julie Jones
Julie Jones
7 months ago

Labour is desperate to see Plaid losing ground. They have been dismissive of Plaid candidates when knocking doors. The Agreement between the parties is a farce. If Labour win Carmarthenshire it will give the green light to their afforestation friends and speculators who will buy up agricultural land. We are at a critical juncture.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
6 months ago
Reply to  Julie Jones

I’m not sure why, but Labour are also desperate to make inroads into, and eventually dominate Y Fro. It has been a long held aspiration and continues to be so.

Chris Franks
Chris Franks
6 months ago

So Plaid was going to lose 42 seats and control of Carmarthenshire! Didn’t work out that way did it?

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