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Plaid Cymru MP criticised for saying Wales is familiar with arguments that Ukraine ‘doesn’t have right to exist’

02 Mar 2022 2 minutes Read
Hywel Williams MP

A Plaid Cymru MP has been criticised after saying that Wales is “familiar” with the arguments made against Ukraine’s existence by Vladimir Putin.

Arfon MP Hywel Williams wrote in his Caernarfon & Denbigh newspaper column that there was a “particular menace” for Wales in the authoritarian Russian leader’s words.

But Welsh Conservative leader Andrew RT Davies responded to say that the comparison between Ukraine’s relationship with Russia and Wales’ relationship with the UK was not appropriate.

“Wales is a willing and democratic part of the United Kingdom,” Andrew RT Davies said.

“Ukrainians are being murdered in a dictator’s invasion. To draw any comparison is at best insensitive and, at worst, minimises what Ukrainians are going through.”

Writing in the Caernarfon & Denbigh newspaper, Hywel Williams had said: “For is in Wales there is a particular menace in Vladimir Putin’s words.

“Ukraine is not a real country he says. It does not have a right to exist.

“It is he, far away in Moscow, who has the right to rule. We in Wales are familiar with these arguments.”

Hywel Williams spoke in a rally in Caernarfon on Thursday which attracted a crowd of over 200 people.

Speaking at the rally he co-organised with Liz Saville Roberts, MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd, Hywel Williams said: “I am so glad that today in Caernarfon we join people across our continent and across the world who are saying no to this vicious and unjustified invasion.

“We call on our governments to act together to set aside their differences and we tell Mr Putin – put down your guns.”


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Geoffrey ap.
Geoffrey ap.
2 months ago

Hywely is 100% correct. Read about the heroic struggle of Glyndwr against massive overwhelming odds, for an obvious example. Throughout the history of Cymru the English have invaded Cymru for no other reason than they assumed, as they had a massive advantage, that it would be an easy victory.

Eddy
Eddy
2 months ago

My friends will yawn once more when I quote this, but Arfon’s Hywel Williams’ argument is totally correct. The prophetic Old Man of Pencader, to paraphrase, supposedly stated about 750 years ago to the battle weary Henry II en route to Cardigan (ref Gerald of Wales) that “In spite of being harried by English forces, I do not think that this nation will be destroyed by man unless punished also by the wrath of God. On the Day of Judgement I believe no other race than the Welsh or any other language will give answer to this small corner of… Read more »

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
2 months ago

And there was me thinking Andrew would still be in mourning for his farm now that Truss has donated it to New Zealand.

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
2 months ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

He’s got loads of money they started out as roubles

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
2 months ago

A willing part of the United Kingdom – since when? We’ve never had a choice.We’ve never been asked if we want to be part of this Union. If the current UK government had its way – our democratic vote would be ignored too with the abolition of the Senedd. The Tories in power in Westminster are little different to Putin – they want to destroy Wales but are doing it more subtlety.

Gareth
Gareth
2 months ago

The Tory party manifesto following devolution contained the promise of reversing the referendum results should they win an election, a motion promoted by Theresa May, thankfully for devolution Tony Blair won. So the analogy of one country denying another its democratic will, is correct I this statement. This was not 750 years ago, but just over 20. Whether people like it or not, a large majority in England would reverse devolution without a care for what the people of Cymru think, or want.

Mark
Mark
2 months ago
Reply to  Gareth

We have daily attacks on Welsh devolution from the tory party, english media and pig ignorant brit nats.

Richard Huw Morgan
Richard Huw Morgan
2 months ago

This highlights that this is not a historic problem, but a real live question of ‘voluntary association’ https://wp.me/p8Mk4U-eL9

Gareth
Gareth
2 months ago

The people of Ukraine do not want to live in a Putin dictatorship, just as the people of Cymru do not want to live in the corrupt state that is run by a compulsive liar, that is why we have a socialist Gov,and attempts by Westminster to overrule us with things like the internal market bill, and the statement last week by the Tory Frost about reversing devolution without the people realising it is happening, are reasons why we know how other country’s feel and can empathise with them.

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
2 months ago

Plaid Cymru’s Hywel Williams is correct to make the comparison between how Russia sees Ukraine and the English establishment Wales. And Andrew RT Davies wrong to say Wales is a willing part of a democratic UK. What utter Conservative bull! Does he know how this so-called British Union was founded? By for e. And is he aware that Wales has no representation in that Union still. Also, that our language is still banned in the House of Commons chamber unlike English & Norman French? No. As usual talks out if his backside! His undemocratic Tory party since Boris Johnson came… Read more »

John
John
2 months ago

Does dim fyw i ddweud ond oes?
Da iawn Hywel Williams am lefaru ein hofnau.

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
2 months ago

Hywel Williams is totally correct

Dean Thomas
Dean Thomas
2 months ago

Hywel is clearly correct, as we are familiar with Imperialist rhetoric and actions, though the tragedy unfurling in Ukraine is on a different contemporary level. You do wonder at times how blinkered and naive is Andrew RT Davies, as he regurgitates the Brit mantra. But that at least offers a point of contrast for those of us who believe that Wales is not the inferior region that London demands us to be, but is actually a stateless nation, who are entitled to appeal for a democratic future and national self-determination, which is the norm in our political world.

Martin Owen
Martin Owen
2 months ago

Stop the war.Oppose Putin – but – Hywel would do well to look at the laws that discriminate against the minority language communities (and not just Russian) that the Ukraine government has enacted.

GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
2 months ago
Reply to  Martin Owen

That Russian language discrimination is a Russian propaganda lie for their pretext to war. Everyone knows this by now.

I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
2 months ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

See: Amnesty International: Ukraine 2020. It’s much worse than Martin says.
Have a look for yourself?

Hannergylch
Hannergylch
2 months ago
Reply to  I.Humphrys

President Zelensky is Jewish and his first language is Russian. The Ukrainians who voted for him obviously don’t have a problem with minority languages or religions.

CapM
CapM
2 months ago

Pob lwc says “Ukraine’s invasion by Russia has absolutely no parallels with the relationship between Wales and England.” You’re conflagrating a current invasion action with a current situation where the invasion action occurred many years ago. Anyone who is able and of course willing to recognise how such conquering of one country by a larger more powerful neighbour is implemented then the parallel is obvious. If the logic of your statement is followed through then in the future if the Ukraine has a similar relationship with Russia as Cymru does with England then that will be all right then won’t… Read more »

Gareth Cemlyn Jones
Gareth Cemlyn Jones
2 months ago
Reply to  CapM

A reminder that a little over 100 years ago Britain attempted to supress Ireland with military might, directed by the Mancunian David Lloyd George. The oppression of our other Celtic nations is now a little more subtle, but in the dawn of a post Brexit England it still exists and the reversal of devolution will continue to be a key Tory strategy. Hopefully, as with Ireland, this strategy will fail and we can look forward to an awakening of our nations against the might of England.

R W
R W
2 months ago

ARTD is merely showing us yet again what an ignorant twit he is. Thousands of our ancestors (men, women and children) were killed by invaders from over the border as they tried to defend our country. ARTD really is an insensitive and horrible little man.

tired of this
tired of this
2 months ago

there are times when I believe that if a Plaid person said it was bright sunshine outside some Tory idiot would insist it was pitch dark night. They just simple *cannot* be seen to agree. On a more important note, if you can read this article in the FT – https://www.ft.com/content/07618e4a-c8ed-4ad8-86f4-ad0dfc729ef4?shareType=nongift – try replacing ‘Ukraine’ with ‘Wales’ and see how it goes. Some – not all – startling parralels.

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
2 months ago

We have 6 Ukrainian family members coming to live with us. They evacuated from Kyiv last weekend in horrific circumstances. I therefore feel that I have some right to express an opinion on this subject …

The Welsh ARE facing intensified threats from Westminster to our very existence as a distinct nation and culture. This is obvious. It is absolutely right to call this out.

Llefain
Llefain
2 months ago

Sending love and peace to your family. ❤

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