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‘Low key’ investiture for Prince of Wales could happen in Cardiff next year

11 Sep 2022 4 minute read
Prince William. By Frankie Fouganthin (CC 4.0). Llandaf Cathedral by Bill Boaden (CC BY-SA 2.0).

A “low key” investiture for the Prince of Wales could happen in Cardiff next year after the King’s Coronation, it has been reported.

Charles’ investiture happened at Caernarfon castle in 1969 and drew protests including Cymdeithas yr Iaith’s non-violent mass protests, to more direct threats from the the Free Wales Army and Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru.

The Telegraph newspaper reports that this time a “low key” investiture could take place at Cardiff Cathedral – perhaps meaning Llandaf Cathedral – instead.

It quotes a source within the Royal Family who said: “They want to make sure that any ceremony is about celebrating Wales, rather than focusing on them as individuals. They have lived in Wales and they have spent a lot of time going back to Wales and they want to make sure anything they do is in keeping with the wishes of the Welsh people.”

The newspaper also reports that “Prince William is likely to want to brush up on his Welsh language skills now that he has the title”.

“The Prince must also decide on arrangements for his investiture as Prince of Wales, which is scheduled to happen after the King’s coronation and is likely to be next year,” it says.

“William will become only the third Prince of Wales to be invested in Wales itself, and is said to favour a more low-key ceremony than the one at Caernarfon Castle for his father in 1969.

“One possibility is that the investiture could take place at Cardiff Cathedral, and a decision must also be taken on the role of the Princess of Wales in the ceremony, as no Prince of Wales in recent history has inherited the title while married.”

‘Symbol of dominance’

In a phone call with the First Minister earlier today the Prince of Wales said that he would serve the Welsh people with “humility and great respect” and promised to travel to the nation “very soon”.

He told Mark Drakeford: “The Prince and Princess look forward to celebrating Wales’s proud history and traditions as well as a future that is full of promise. They will seek to live up to the proud contribution that members of the Royal family have made in years past.”

The news comes after over 10,000 people have signed a petition opposing the continuation of the Prince of Wales title after it was handed to Prince William.

King Charles III announced that he was making William and Kate the new Prince and Princess of Wales during his first speech on Friday.

The King said he was creating his son and heir, William, Prince of Wales adding: “With Catherine beside him, our new Prince and Princess of Wales will, I know, continue to inspire and lead our national conversations, helping to bring the marginal to the centre ground where vital help can be given.”

But a petition after the Queen’s death called for the Royals to “end Prince of Wales title out of respect for Wales” surged to 10,000 signatures over the next 24 hours.

The petition says that since the days of the Welsh Princes the title has been “held exclusively by Englishmen as a symbol of dominance over Wales”.

“The title remains an insult to Wales and is a symbol of historical oppression and also implies that Wales is still a principality, undermining Wales’ status as a nation and a country,” the petition’s author, Trystan Gruffydd, said.

The Royal title was originally given to Edward II of Caernarfon, son of Edward I who conquered Wales, as a means of confirming that the ‘Tywysog Cymru’ title previously held by native princes of Wales was subservient to that of the King of England.

Since then it has been held by 21 different heirs to the throne, although seven of them never became king.

There have previously been long periods of history, such as between 1553 with the accession of Edward Tudor and the passing of the title to Henry Frederick Stuart 63 years later, when the title did not exist at all.


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hdavies15
hdavies15
24 days ago

“..long periods of history, such as between 1553 with the accession of Edward Tudor and the passing of the title to Henry Frederick Stuart 63 years later, when the title did not exist at all.”

Well, well. Might that have sumffink to do with Old Queen Bess never breeding so no lineal male heirs to worry about. Which begs the question – what if we stop Royals breeding will it cause the end of Monarchy ?

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
24 days ago

Well, I for one intend to be there – in the protest against it!

David Charles pearn
David Charles pearn
23 days ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

Keeping the wishes of the Welsh people lol, well perhaps it should be aborted then.

I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
24 days ago

Just Do It……….in London.

hdavies15
hdavies15
23 days ago
Reply to  I.Humphrys

Better still he can do it sat on his own loo with a mirror tacked to the back of the door, just reciting “I am the Prince, I am the Prince ……..”. That way he convinces himself but leaves everybody out of the fraud.

Stuart Cane
Stuart Cane
23 days ago
Reply to  I.Humphrys

How about in London Cathedral?

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
24 days ago

It appears that no matter what we think or feel the establishment is determined to continue insulting us. So be it – it’s another gift to the independence movement. It just shows how much respect they have for us.

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
23 days ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

Yes, Lets just build support for our country’s liberation – An independent Wales.
Onwards to :
THE REPUBLIC OF WALES.

Frank
Frank
24 days ago

The English conquered the Welsh that lived in the 13th century. They have not conquered the Welsh of the 21st century. Even when they did conquer Wales they outnumbered the Welsh, mainly peaceloving unarmed farmers, 20-1. Not a conquest to be proud about I would say. Another fact that has deliberately been left out of today’s English-only history books. Schools in Wales seriously need to educate children about Welsh history instead of being brainwashed with ‘glorious and brave’ victories of English kings and queens. Allow Welsh children to make their own minds up and draw their own conclusions of past… Read more »

Last edited 24 days ago by Frank
Jim
Jim
23 days ago
Reply to  Frank

Frank, the’English’ conquerors weren’t English, they were Norman. The English were conquered in 1066 if you remember. Don’t tar us English with the same brush. The Normans conquered Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Don’t forget the current monarchy also have broken DNA with these Norman kings so their legitimacy is also in much question. Their anti-Catholic oath isn’t in tune with today’s anti-discrimination order either. Hey ho, somethings never change eh!
Same old ‘royal’ bigots

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
24 days ago

Low key is the key word. So William & Kate lived in Wales therefore understand how we tick. If that’s the case I am an expert on India because I ate a curry once. They haven’t clue how we feel towards them. They are being advised by the English establishment who say if you want to maintain your & our privileged lifestyle must maintain the iron ring. Keep the populous obidient, and more importantly, thick & stupid. See an ignorant population can be easily manipulated as seen today with the North Korean outpouring of grief towards a woman & family… Read more »

Last edited 24 days ago by Y Cymro
Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
23 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

The expected economy of the UK is failing at the bottom of the G20 with Russia.
Politically, The Tory UK regime is the same as Putin’s regime in Russia.
They both control the news media to obtain obedience allowing their regimes to deny Wales (and Scotland) their independent nations and to crust Ukraine independence.
They are both imperialist oligarch monopolist capitalist systems and not real market economies.

Wales and the Ukraine must overcome those imperialist bullies to the east of our respective countries to become independent countries and members of the UN & EU.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
23 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

They lived here, what for twelve months? Laughable that they believe this qualifies them to be Prince and Princess of Wales!

John Davies
John Davies
23 days ago

Doubt if it will be low-key. Truss’ rotten government will need the maximum distraction from the rotten mess they are making of things. A Royal event is the perfect distraction. It not only encourages people to look the other way while the Tories and their cronies loot the country. It lays people who refuse to look the other way open to accusations of a lack of patriotism. A wave of strikes that had the Establishment badly worried, as well as this year’s TUC conference, have all been cancelled. But capitalism, exploitation and the looting of our economy have not been… Read more »

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
23 days ago
Reply to  John Davies

Thing is, what they see as “low key” is not what the rest of us see as low key.

Hogyn y Gogledd
Hogyn y Gogledd
23 days ago

Charlie’s rapid statement was not spur of the moment.

It was a long-thought-through statement to the people of Wales.

He despises us.

And, unsurprisingly, that’s reciprocated by me to him,

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
23 days ago

There is a theory that the quick announcement was made to quell dissent.

He knew people would not immediately come out to pre-empt any discussion about the investiture, because most people would keep quiet out of respect for his mother!

He has used people’s goodwill to his advantage to make sure the title passes to his son.

Despite all the talk of promoting Wales, this is a provocative act that says, “we are still in charge. Toe the line”.

Eifion
Eifion
23 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Cytuno efo chi a hog -y-gog sarhad mwya Carlo yn dod i Gymru ar ddydd Glyndwr

Llefain
Llefain
22 days ago
Reply to  SundanceKid

Exactly.

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
23 days ago

Magic stuff. A new Carolean age and William wants to use Cardiff Cathedral which is Catholic.
This could get interesting.

Owain Morgan
Owain Morgan
22 days ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

But did the Torygraph mean Cardiff Cathedral? Or, more likely, did they call Llandaff Cathedral Cardiff Cathedral instead? I mean to a Londoner Cardiff couldn’t possibly have more than one Cathedral 🙄

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
23 days ago

What makes them think there won’t be any protests in Cardiff??

They did this without any consultation with the people of Wales. Hold it in England.

Dean Thomas
Dean Thomas
23 days ago

Royal hegemony. They hold us in such contempt. There has to be a mass movement against this circus.

David Smith
David Smith
23 days ago

“Low key” says to me that they know it’s controversial and don’t want to anger the natives. In which case begs the question: why do it at all? It’s as though they can’t help themselves, as though it’s some sort of jingoistic ejaculation that they’re powerless to stop.

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
23 days ago
Reply to  David Smith

They have probably been advised to call it “low key” due to the controversy and the cost-of-living crisis so as to “appease” the masses.

But, you can bet that it certainly won’t be low key.

The Caribbean royal tour was very revealing as it showed that the Royals are very reluctant to let go of all the trappings of their colonial legacy, even as most of us find that incredibly distasteful.

Last edited 23 days ago by SundanceKid
Maglocunos
Maglocunos
23 days ago

The best thing now is to do nothing as this issue is so divisive and has the potential to be explosive.

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Roderich Heier
Roderich Heier
23 days ago

I would just like to point out a mistake in this article. Edward Tudor acceded to the throne of England in 1547, as Edward VI, on the death of his father Henry VIII. Edward died in 1553 and was succeeded by Mary I.

Llefain
Llefain
22 days ago

They can make their self-serving rituals as “low-key” as they want. And hold it in the place they will most protected from dissent, even London. The insult will still be just as “high-key” as ever. As was the speed of its announcement. This just shows more cowardice. Hiding from the consequences of their disrespect. All it shows is that they know they are insulting us. And they will do it anyway. Even in a dirty pub toilet in an alley in London, whispered in hushed tones to nobody but a drunk and his dog this is the same insult made… Read more »

Krag
Krag
22 days ago

Why?

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