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‘Scary’ anti-English graffiti written on the side of Llandeilo pub

18 Oct 2022 1 minute read
Picture by the Cottage Inn / Facebook

Anti-English graffiti has been spraypainted on a pub in Llandeilo.

The landlord of the Cottage Inn in the Carmarthenshire town, who moved from Lancashire five months ago, posted a picture of the message saying ‘Leave English or die’ on their Facebook page this morning.

“What can I say,” he said. “The words say it all.”

“Thank you we are fine but the words are scary and not knowing how far these people will go. A little on edge at present.”

The slogan was painted on the side of the pub facing the car park. The owners said that it would be removed once the police had seen it.

The Cottage Inn in Llandeilo reopened in June with new owners.

Other residents and businesses left messages of support on the post, including Towy Valley Milk who said: “Absolutely disgusting why anyone would write this on our local pub.”

In July the owners shared that someone had stolen the pub’s sign.


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Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago

I remain in favour of independence and the elevating the language and culture of our great nation, Cymru.
But that graffiti is pathetic and the jerk who sprayed it should be ashamed of themselves.
Even worse, it is spelled correctly and in consistent upper case, so they should know better than the usual standard of unthinking slobs who engage in such moronic activity

viv
viv
1 month ago

I, too, “remain in favour of independence and the elevating the language and culture of our great nation, Cymru.” I was born in england, but was brought up to regard myself as primarily british, though not now. My middle aged children are Welsh and I haven’t set foot in England for over half a century. Do you think the graffiti bois meant me?

Wrexhamian
Wrexhamian
1 month ago
Reply to  viv

It’s probably aimed at more recent whiteflighters who have contributed in significant numbers to Cymru’s house price increases and unaffordability for locals. And generally speaking, it is not the Welsh way to murder settlers, so you should be okay.

Sortofsilver
Sortofsilver
1 month ago
Reply to  Wrexhamian

Who’s selling their houses to the terrible English? Wouldn’t be Welsh people would it?

You would have thought the patriotic would have turned down the highest price and sold it cheaper to a local………..and pigs might fly

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  Wrexhamian

Possibly a false flag by someone with monetary interests

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  viv

I wonder if they thought that much about it. Vandals are generally impulse driven. The aim is to make themselves feel like Billy Big Balls. Everything else is secondary. Ridiculous little cretins they are

Old Dog
Old Dog
1 month ago

Generally, an anonymous threat comes from a coward.

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  Old Dog

Not nescessarily

A non racist
A non racist
1 month ago

It was obviously written by “Die the Racist”! Strange it wasn’t written in Welsh? Or was it Dai Twp.

Steve
Steve
1 month ago

Your welcome to independence, i only visited north Wales once and will never return very unfriendly people,you are lucky we dont treat you the same way as most Welsh live in England

Gaynor
Gaynor
1 month ago

Why would anybody do this when there are far more positive things one can do? . Seems to defeat the object doesn’t it? The owners are local farmers. The current tenants are not , but are new and clueless. Up until now The Cottage has had a series of fantastic landlords both English and Welsh and was a great local attracting people from near and far for the past 60. Years. The key element being they were grounded in the community, knew the community and supported the commu ity. Unfortunately, people have already voted with their feet prior to this… Read more »

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago
Reply to  Gaynor

You seem to know the score in that area. Maybe you should pop in sometime and give the newcomers the benefit of you insight. Too many incomers “from away” are treated to the sink or swim approach and they know no better and don’t learn until too late. If they reject your approach then you will know that some of this hostility has been driven by the alleged victims’ intransigence.

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

Victims, not alleged victims. Nobody deserves death threats spray painted on their homes.

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago

May have been done by the “alleged victim”!

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

A very threatening theoretical “alleged victim” then.
So you mean some aggro drunk got kicked out and wanted some revenge then?

CJPh
CJPh
1 month ago

It is prudent to be sceptical in cases like this. Words turn up on a wall – no idea who did it, no idea regarding motive, only a cascade of assumptions. A couple of points – There has been a long-standing campaign of putting stickers that proclaim “Welsh nationalism is racism” and similar messages over Yes Cymru stickers in Llandeilo. To my eye, the handwriting looks very similar. Most people who have put up pro indy or pro Welsh culture messaging (on the railway bridge, for instance) tend to write in Cymraeg. Writing this message, in English, in an area… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by CJPh
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
1 month ago
Reply to  CJPh

In all your many scenarios, the sprayer of the death threat is still a disgusting moron. You are overthinking this. Actions can be judged. Motives and feelings can only be speculated about, like you seem to be speculating about me. But whilst we’re speculating here, you seem to be tiptoeing around the idea that “well maybe the victim did it themselves” because it’s written in English. It would be a pretty poor thought that threatens people in a language they don’t understand. You also seem to be tentatively floating the idea that “maybe they deserved it” because Perfidious Albion. I… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
CJPh
CJPh
1 month ago

I did not justify this horrible act of vandalism at any point, nor did I claim that it may be a “political statement”, nor did I claim that any one person did or did not do this (kind of the whole point of my post). In claiming that this was indeed a “death threat”, you are assuming motive and hence, an external perpetrator who holds such a motive. We don’t know. As I stated, if it is indeed proven to be a legitimate death threat, or a mean-spirited act of vandalism designed to offend, the person responsible is a reprehensible… Read more »

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
1 month ago
Reply to  CJPh

No thank you.

Jollymytho
Jollymytho
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

Absolutely

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

Possibly depend if their agenda if any

Gaynor
Gaynor
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

There is no excuse for that kind of vandalism. Many of us have visited once as glad to see it re- open but will not return. Pub owners are supposed to put customer service and sociability at the top of the list, this element is sadly lacking.

Rhufawn Jones
Rhufawn Jones
1 month ago

Semantically nonsensical. Probably written by an ignoramus.

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
1 month ago

Anyone in right mind would reject this disgusting graffiti. I would hope the anti-Welsh desecration of the Cofiwch Dryweryn memorial wall daubed multiple times before being demolished would be regarded with the same contempt by the English as I and others do this.

Last edited 1 month ago by Y Cymro
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

I agree but it probably wouldn’t be viewed the same by everyone over the border, though perhaps more than you would think might be supportive.
Either way I don’t think we need compare. Virtue is an end in itself and is found in all nations. Even Russia.

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
1 month ago

Disgraceful!

George Thomas
George Thomas
1 month ago

Am I the only one who read it as “Be English when you leave or die”?

I don’t think anyone would support the message as it’s been interpretated by most because it’s cruel, self-defeating and don’t represent Wales or Welsh people.

Rhufawn Jones
Rhufawn Jones
1 month ago
Reply to  George Thomas

Yes, that’s the meaning! Semantically nonsensical. But somehow, the sprayer doesn’t come across as the thinking type.

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  Rhufawn Jones

Making assumptions or presumptions is a pointless waste of time

Steve
Steve
1 month ago

If this was posted on social media the police would of reacted but because it wasn’t they seem to do nothing. This is breaking the law and death threat’s are really serious. Only people with mental problems make death threats

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve

What a pathetic statement please show evidence of your claim

猫の海賊
猫の海賊
1 month ago

kinda shocked nobody has claimed this is false flag, anti indi movement thing yet …..

*shrug*

Notttabottt
Notttabottt
1 month ago
Reply to  猫の海賊

Its poor English, my first thought was exactly that, if it was from indy it would have probably been in Welsh. But its all a guess really, could be nothing political and someone attacking someone else over something personal indirect not to get caught.

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
1 month ago
Reply to  Notttabottt

And what would the point of threatening someone in a language they do not understand? Most English are not “the enemy”. Not all of the Cymry are virtuous saints like you and I.
We must acknowledge that some of our countrymen are despicable too.

Notttabottt
Notttabottt
1 month ago

Because, if you are making a nationalist point, you use that nations language, do you not think if someone English had something Welsh sprayed across their property they would not simply google it?

And I CAN confirm, it is indeed a personal problem with the new owners of the pub, who are English and it is nothing to do with indy.

Last edited 1 month ago by Notttabottt
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  Notttabottt

Then whatever the issue with the new landlords, the sprayer of the graffiti is still despicable.
Threatening to kill someone because you dislike them is the action of a self-obsessed arrogant moron with impulse control issues.
Disagreement, even angry disagreement is acceptable in my eyes. But you threaten to murder someone, you should be in a cell. (For the avoidance of doubt this is the rhetorical “you” – not you personally)

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago

There are despicable people everywhere it’s a matter of proportion

Last edited 1 month ago by George Bodley
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
1 month ago
Reply to  猫の海賊

Because most of us are not paranoid idiots.

Red Pill
Red Pill
1 month ago

There is no hard evidence to suggest the ethnicity or nationality of the individual(s) responsible for the graffiti.

Jussie Smollet job?

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Cymru
1 month ago
Reply to  Red Pill

Really? I’ll wager there’s no “hard evidence” for a great many things you have no problem accepting.
Don’t be like that. We do not damage our cause by acknowledging that death threats are wrong no matter who they come from and who they are targeted at.
I am as committed to Indy as anyone on this site, but let’s not try and defend something just because the perpetrator was born near us.

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago

You assume much if you have knowledge that the person was born near you provide evidence to the relevent authority .In short one must never make wild assumptions .

Kraag
Kraag
1 month ago

These are obvious thugs but the message is being missed. There is a lot of talk in many areas of the richer incomers using their wealth, to buy up everything, leaving the locals scrabbling around for the scraps falling from the table. My own family are suffering from this and i am being pursued by a property developer at the moment, who won’t take I’m unwell go away for an answer. This problem is not just in Wales either. I was recently speaking to people in Torbay and in Scotland and they were complaining of the same things.

Peter Falk
Peter Falk
1 month ago

The people on here calling for Welsh independence need to get a grip. What the hell is going on in today’s fractured world. I like the Welsh, Scottish and never think of us all not being British. It really pisses me off. Isn’t there enough State hostility in Europe? and as for the English moving in, don’t the Welsh move out too, I know loads of you beauties in England buying our properties, because that’s what they are, ours (British)! As for finance, we are all victims of class wars, it’s not a national thing. So give your heads a… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Peter Falk
Terry wyse
Terry wyse
1 month ago
Reply to  Peter Falk

Best comment on here -Peter Falk !

CapM
CapM
1 month ago
Reply to  Peter Falk

Welsh independence is a preference as is British statehood.
You’ve a right to your preference but just a moment of thought should bring about the realisation that you don’t have a right to prescribe the preference of others.

Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
1 month ago
Reply to  Peter Falk

We should “get a grip” because you want us all to be British?
You may be a very nice person, despite your many arrogant demands and deliberate misspelling of Pen y Fan, and I like loads of English people. But we in Cymru have not been well served by being stuck in a union we never signed up for. 500 years of lies derision and theft has left us on our rrrses.
I hate to break it to you, but it’s not your decision. We want out of the hostage situation.
We can be friends, but we are not countrymen

Last edited 1 month ago by Y Tywysog Lloegr a Moscow
George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago

Quite

Karla
Karla
1 month ago

It’s been nearly 1000 years of the English trying to kill us. Don’t ever forget we are not part of the union by consent, we are an occupied colony of England. When Russia tries to anex parts of Ukraine, Ukraine rightly fights back, but Welsh people can’t even write a little nasty graffiti without people getting into uproar about it. Let’s count the crimes of the English against the Welsh first shall we.

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago
Reply to  Karla

Remember the Blue Books

CeeBee
CeeBee
1 month ago

Isn’t this anti Welsh? It’s saying to leave the pub English.
If it was anti English it would have been written “English leave” and would have been written in Welsh.

Stephen Mason
Stephen Mason
1 month ago

Interesting to note that, now Nation Cymru is attracting more readers, there is a significant change in the standard of comments. Especially on the articles relating to Welsh nationalism, Welsh statehood or Welsh government.

George Bodley
George Bodley
1 month ago

Suspect false flag

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