Second home owners ‘sharing tips on avoiding police’ to sneak into Wales at night
Second home owners are sharing tips so that they can sneak into Wales while avoiding police enforcing a ban on unnecessary travel, an MP has said.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd MP Liz Saville Roberts said that tourists were sneaking in at night in order to avoid detection, or even accepting the £60 fines and travelling on.
“I’m really sorry to have to make this message today but it’s evident that people are still arriving at their second homes and their holiday homes,” she said in a video message.
“The police are doing the best they can with the resources that are available to them and they do ask local people who have any reports of people travelling to such accommodation to contact them via email or via webchat.
“But we also have accounts of people with holiday homes sharing advice with each other to travel at night to avoid the police.
“And even the people who don’t care if they’re fined when they travel – they’ve set out and they want to arrive.
“Now, for people who are thinking about this, the rules are there for a reason. If you think you’re the exception to the rule, think again. You’re not. There are no exceptions in a pandemic.
“In south Gwynedd we do not have sufficient medical resources to cope with extra people. The shops don’t have the supplied to be able to cope with extra people.”
‘Hotspots’
Meanwhile, Anglesey Council’s tourism portfolio holder, Councillor Carwyn Jones, has written to MP Virginia Crosbie urging her to press on the Army to blockade routes into the island.
“Reports are coming thick and fast from every corner of Anglesey of holiday homeowners and tourists arriving in their droves for a bit of Easter fun,” he said.
“Needless to say, the worry this is causing local constituents is considerable and it’s clear that these are showing no regards to the measures put in place by the Government and are putting lives at risk.
“The risk to the residents of Anglesey is increasing considerably and the ability of our NHS to cope. The measures need to be much stricter, powers to enforce stronger and more resources needed to manage and control the measures.
“The police are doing a fantastic job with the resource at their disposal, however more backing is needed and I would now suggest the Army needs to be deployed to help the situation by manning the two bridges and hotspots before more and more start arriving.”
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Any blockade needs to be on the border into Wales! They should be turned back at that point. Police forces in Wales have the power under emergecy legislation to remove a person into a place of custody – I’m guessing that wouldn’t be their second homes!
Simple answer. Arrest them. Impound there transport and let them make there way home on the train or public transport after being released. Soon think twice if this was done to a few people
Send em home on the bus or train , think about it for a second ffs
I was born in Pembroke went to the Midlands for work, none in Pembroke. Worked hard all my life sold my family home in the Midlands split the money bought a flat in the Midlands to be near grandkids and a small house in Pembroke with the rest, which is about a mile from where I was born. I pay 50% extra council tax to Pembs County council, which I am willing to do. If I were allowed to come ‘home’ I would take all the precautions necessary to isolate, but you say I should have my car impounded and… Read more »
Don’t get personal! I’m English I live in Pembrokeshire And I take that as an insult. I put money into the Welsh economy. So get over yourself. You will be welcoming us in when it’s over. Talk about have your cake and eat it!
Exactly, money spent in shops, garages, restaurants and cafes and markets, glad to see us then. Have the bins emptied a couple of times, don’t use social services, libraries, clinics, children’s services, schools etc. Not taking out of the Welsh economy only giving more money in the increase in rates charges. Spain and Portugal don’t seem to have THIS PROBLEM with people buying property in their countries. If Welsh people want to come to buy in England as a second home, what’s the problem? If the money is short in these places, blame the Councils for not investing or not… Read more »
Why do you need a second home or even more properties. Many remain empty and are just physical bank saving accounts . This kills our communities everywhere on the planet. Why must we be uprooted from our presence in such landscapes. Heavy industry was bad enough but this land grab is far worse in that it is a means to rid the local people from their right to live in their own communities.
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Welsh w****r
Beats me why anybody wants to go there there in the first place. Been once, never, ever again…
We don’t want the middle class 2nd home owning bastards back here, keep the twats.
Fuk off to your fields with the sheep and u will be ok u dirty sheep shagger
We shag them you eat them
The police should be given the power to confiscate any vehicle that breaks the curfew.
Work shopping or exercise or driving to your second home?not plain enough for you plain citizen give them points on their licence
Take there license away and the fine a£1,000 because sixty pounds isn’t enough for a weekend away the punishment needs to fit the crimes think about it it could be life!!!
I agree a £1,000 fine, will make them think twice
Yep and use the money to support our NHS staff.
France has 135 euro’s for first offence, over 1000 for second.
Yes. Good idea. And then make them walk back to where ever they came from.
The lockdown brought in place by government is our cerfew if you are not aware of this have a look on UK gov website it clearly states no essential travel I don’t see how unclear that is really I totally understand and anybody who doesn’t is help this covid19 virus spread #Stayathome
Please count your brain cells before joining a discussion.
Plain Citizen, have you been hiding under a rock? Perhaps you should just go back, probably safer
Non-essential travel is banned in Wales as I understand it under new legislation which includes swanning off on holiday, but no-one has mentioned any curfew and neither is that word mentioned on the government website:
https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance
Don’t travel unless essential. Galloping off to a l2nd home definitely isn’t
Also the camp site that let them on should be fined an ordered to stay closed for an extra 12 months they might think twice about letting them on
Not necessarily a caravan! Some people have cottages as holiday homes!
Totally agree I’m a truck driver delivering essential supplies and I’m dismayed at the number of loaded cars on the roads
There speaks a criminal! Surprised you can write. Teach you in prison did they?
Don’t be rediculous – use the Army – do not give the police any more powers.
I agree, it feels like 1984 by George Orwell. Soon there will be nothing left of all the small businesses, local producers will not be able to take goods to the mainland without the correct paperwork, or it wouldn’t be economically viable. More people on the out work, more poverty. This list goes on. I’m not saying we don’t need some proportionate measures. We do need some pragmatic common sense.
I deplore these tactics, and support the travel restrictions established to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2. However, my concern is that some second home owners will need to carry out checks and essential maintenance at some point. We are fortunate that we have friends in the area who can check on ours for us while we are unable to visit; however, some people may not be in this position. Many second home owners have contributed considerably to their communities over the years in various ways; we are not all arrogant parasites. Perhaps some informal arrangements could be established locally to… Read more »
I’m very aware ‘some’ holiday homes need checking but this does not need four or five people, some children to come and check said holiday home, stay in your own ‘usual’ residence where you are registered with your local GP. Stay safe and keep others safe, see you when this is done.
No, certainly not; this is why I suggested that local arrangements for checking second homes might usefully be put in place. It would deprive people of the opportunity to sneak a family holiday while checking a property. I should point out that we will not be visiting our own cottage while restrictions are in place.
Why don’t you employ someone local to your property to carry out checks thus providing much needed income to those affected economically by the crisis and providing reassuration to yourself.
Agree we have asked a local resident to check on our property and water the garden. They are happy to do.
After, only two weeks lock down they need to check their properties?
No, not at the moment, but if the lockdown goes on for several months they will need to.
If everyone stayed at home in the primary residence it won’t go on for weeks. The movement of people is continuing the spread of the virus! Also a high percentage of holiday home owners have a property management Co or caretaker/housekeeper looking after their property. It’s not illegal for them to go and check the property
This is here for months not weeks, any ideas that this will be over soon is misguided.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0blmn5l/the-flu-that-killed-50-million
Why do they have to check there properties,I have a property in Cyprus but that will stand empty until I’m aloud to visit next so what is the difference?????
Difference is Paul those of us with caravans on seasonal pitches with additional freezers etc. As we pay for electricity via a card this will need topping up oralternately we will need to empty freezers etc for health and safety reasons.
The only health and safety priority here is the eradication of this virus. Emptying freezers shouldn’t be on anybody’s radar at the moment-I honestly can’t believe what I’m reading.
wrist second homes are located on holiday parks and have been closed since November 2019 so yes they do need to be checked on and maintenance carried out Also like my family we have owned a holiday home (chalet bungalow) in Wales for over 30years we pay council tax and contribute to the eccomony by purchasing household goods furniture electrical items updating bathroom, kitchen new decking and employing local tradespeople so yes we are concerned with the restrictions and not being able to check on properties so if we are not welcome just think of the lost revenue if we… Read more »
Too bad. You are breaking the law and also have no moral compass. It is not fair to overload the local health service ir bring the virus into these areas. Everyone knows that you are fleeing virus hotspots. And then you make it sound like you are doing the licaks a bug favour. What will it take to get the message through your thick heads.
So you think your bit of elecy and a few groceries and a bit of tax that gose to make it so pleasant for you to come to for 30 years. Is worth more than a life I think you need to have a conversation with the ICU Dr or nurses on the ICU ward and tell them why you think it is a good idea to make more shortages in the ICU wards of Wales and now that doctor has to chose who gets the ventilator and who as it stopped to give to another patient. As now we… Read more »
It is not the fact that we in Wales do not want you here at all. It is now right at this moment in time due to the pandemic of Covid-19. We are ever so grateful that you have kept some of us employed and paid your council tax, but right now we do not want you or any other second home owners possibly bringing this virus with you!! This is why restrictions have been put in place. You do not have to undertake maintenance at this moment in time. Homes can be replaced, lives can not. Our hospitals would… Read more »
Seriously???threatening locals with lost revenue and income!!!!!you’re certainly not going to be welcomed back with open arms if you have such a rigid view. If everyone just stays put and stops travelling here there and everywhere, all will be back to normal far far quicker. We need to support one another and hope and pray that it’s not yours or my loved ones that fall ill
We will go back to the old style if they want burn them
Nasty comment
I don’t think many people will be too sorry if you and others like you sell up, it may make housing affordable for the locals
Oooh thank you so much for helping us Welsh people out. We don’t know where we’d be if it wasn’t for you.
I’m sure someone else would buy your very important property and help us really poor peasants. How will we survive if you have to sell.
Stay home idiot. There’s a pandemic.
Yes we can afford your imaginary increase in council tax…good bye, hope you get a good price for your holiday home!
There is NO economic argument on either side of this debate. It is a matter of containing a virus by staying at home. We all prevent transmission of virus by staying at home. Secondly, if YOUR medical need, arises away from your main residence, you compete with, and deprive local people of resources. Can I come stay really close to you, if and when I get sick?. Bored at home and need a change of scenery
I’d rather pay extra council tax and stay alive than have you contaminate our communities. What part of keep away for the time being do you not understand-we’re all having to make sacrifices.
Your not welcome. Get over it. Nobody cares about your “contributions over the years”. Stay home and stop whining like a spoilt brat.
If they hadn’t visited in the 2 weeks prior to lockdown maybe yes. My father died during this period and I am having to visit his empty home to ensure insurance remains valid
There are so many unemployed in Wales. I am sure at least a few of them would be willing to do a few house checks for second home owners in payment of the odd food parcel. At least they could feed there extended families. Doing a good deed in upholding safety and security is quite honourable…
That’s the sort of patronising and arrogant attitude that gives second home owners a bad name!
Mate it’s Wales not Ghana 😂😂😂 no one has a holiday home in Newport Gwent
I LIVE IN DEVON Do you not realise it has nothing to do with locals not wanting people at their 2nd homes.. It’s the fact that we do not have the NHS facilities in the South West that most other areas have .. . So many of our hospitals have closed down … We have lost most of our local ambulances .. Often waiting times in the small towns and villages are well over an hour .. Most can be as long as 2 hours .. With locals having to try and keep someone alive .. Whilst waiting … From… Read more »
Also they could be bringing COVID-19 with them.
Well said. People just dont get it. It’s all about health care. At the end of the day. Also they could be bringing the virus. .that’s the whole idea of lockdown.
I’ve got a second home in Wales, but I’m staying away, prior to the lockdown i had the forethought to turn my water off and i have cctv i can view the inside remotely!
This is serious, i have lost a relative through corvid-19, even if you think you dont have it now, you might still be carrying it, please dont be ideots follow the governments advise.
Well said, Trevor. Hope you don’t need to stay away too long.
Diolch, Trevor I wish everyone was like you.
Hope it’s not to long before you can return to God’s country🏴😆
Well said and at last some intelligence from a 2nd home owner.
Well said Trevor. You and your family are welcome in Wales any time, ( apart from pandemics .). Thank you for staying away during this time.
I think the health of the nation is more important than making sure your lavish holiday home is ok, what do you think is going to happen to it if you leave it on its own? It’s not going anywhere, you’ll still be rich when this is all over. Just because ‘some’ of you ‘may’ have contributed to local communities does not give you anymore right to do what you want than anyone else. #firstworldproblems
Know what you are saying, but surely they could hold off for a few weeks, unless there really is an emergency. Travel can spread this virus after all, and anyone could become ill after getting to their holiday home which puts further strain on local health care.
This is a very serious situation, second homes are NOT of paramount importance. GET A GRIP !!!!!!
How convenient essential works need to be done during a travel restricted pandemic, easy stay where you are selfish, self obsessed , buffoons
It doesn’t need a whole family to check on holiday homes, and what is more important a holiday home or a life
WHY NOT
It only needs one person to check on the property,not a car load with enough food for 2weeks.
The checking of a property is a flimsy excuse. Even if it was plausible it is not legal nor moral
Local contractors are unable to work due to social isolation so why should an exemption be granted to carry out maintenance work on someone’s second home. This is a matter of saving lives-what is the problem in understandingthis. Your leaking tap will have to wait I’m afraid.
Catherine that is utter rubbish. Nobody NEEDS to check a holiday home. It will still be there next month and the month after. You might have a bit of rotten food to clear from the fridge or freezer afterward but that’s about it. Bullshit excuse. Stay home.
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Are these people so stupid to put other people’s lives in danger as well as their own filling up our hospitals .they need throwing in a police cell
Wee the same race. ask the police or neighbour to check the property.. I think you are struggling to understand why the guidelines are in place.
What’s Germany got to do with this, Plain Citizen?
It’s nothing to do with Wales v England.
It’s just common sense for people not to travel to these type of areas in large numbers.
Many second home owners from England have posted in agreement on this thread
It also applies to people from Wales who have second homes
Politicians in the Lake District have said similar things without being compared to the Third Reich.
You clearly need to get a sense of proportion.
If we are all staying in at home why is it different for somebody else to just go and check on my holiday home
Yes they are selfish thick and stupid
Why should we put our police at further risk?
Impound the vehicle and make the selfish walk home.
The rich are selfish, that’s why their rich.
Mark, im sure a lot of people will agree with me, please don’t tar everyone with the same brush, im staying away at my first home so im not being selfish, im retired having worked hard all my life and now i want to enjoy my hard earned cash in the way i want to by spending it in wales, but i say again im staying away from my second home so as not to cause further problems for any of the local services which i still have to pay for. At this horrible time it may be you that… Read more »
How do you think this virus moves around
Well done Plain citizen, you win today’s Godwin’s Law award. What an entitled idiot you are.
Going from the comments, I would say most of them are not stupid. Most people are taking the sensible approach, staying away. Some however are stupid plus arrogant and extremely selfish. See the comment from Jean above. Stupid, arrogant, selfish and stuck up their own arses. Let’s hope Jean and anyone like her stay away and sell their holiday home.
I have a caravan in north wales.I came home(manchester)before the closure of caravan and camping sites because I was keeping track on the numbers succumbing to COVID 19 in wales and it scared me.Why anyone believes they are safer in Wales than back home in England is a mystery to me.Ive probably forfeited £2000 in coming home but what price peace of mind.Those still attempting to enter Wales should be subject to criminal prosecution because not only are they putting themselves and our Welsh friends at risk but also those of us back home when they return….as well as themselves.The… Read more »
I respect you for being sensible stay safe
Michael Graham, we look forward to welcoming you and your family back once it is all safe, common sense has to prevail and we thank you. Hope you and your family keep safe and well in Manchester. See you soon. Thank you 🙏
That’s the best idea so far. Seizing the 2nd home therefore preventing future holidays or income from the home is better than a fine and would be more effective.
I think its disturbing to think people can behave so irresponsible we have a holiday home but have no intention off going there at this terrible time yes it’s a shame but be we need to pull together on this
Well said be wing perhaps you could repost what you’ve already said so it might sink in if those ignorant people could bring themselves to read it again.
What positive is hundreds of people swarming into a rural area which has limited medical services and possibly infecting local people who have made the effort to listen to gov advice? If hundreds of strangers landed in your village or town and emptied your shops of all food and infected your family you would be happy?
Exactly✌️
Locals are reporting that Llanbedrog is very quiet, Abersoch and Nefyn are ghost towns, Aberdaron is empty. Reported elsewhere today, NWP searched the entire area and found only 7 people who had homes elsewhere. We need some confirmation that droves of people are coming here. If that is the case, it’s obviously wrong, but exaggerating will add tensions to the already upsetting health pandemic.
People who travel in these circumstances should be refused service , food, water and medical aid
Inhumane
There must be away to identify these people and impose heafty fines on them.. if they have second homes they have a large disposable income. It is totally unacceptable and unfair on locals. I love wales i have spent most of my life holidaying in wales. But i would never put the local community at risk. All these people are just selfish.. i meet these type of people every shift being a front line emergency worker.
I have a holiday home in wales but I DO NOT have a disposable income… my partner is a lorry driver and I work in a shop, we both still work now! We work dam hard and that is why we have our holiday home, not everyone that owns one is rolling in money! Theres nothing more I wud like than to come to my holiday home but I choose not to to NOT because we are told not to!!
This is not a personal attack, this is a deadly disease, NHS are on the frontline.Is it too much to ask that we follow advice to insure the best outcome
Stay safe Bob. Looking forward to seeing you and your family when this is all over. Thanks to for being in the front line.
Its not wales v england u numpty, its commensense!!!I dont care if they come from outer hebridees, they should not be coming here, have you any idea what they are creating??
If they use the NHS out of their primary home address, charge them as you would a foreign national.
Escort them home then have their vehicles confiscated, sold for scrap and their holiday homes auctioned off and the proceeds donated to the NHS/healthcare related charities. Entitled idiots.
I understand the anger entirely in the message. However the retribution is utterly excessive. Revealing, though that the writers true feelings of jealousy may be found iin the words…”entitled idiots”. (By the way I do not own a 2nd home).
I totally agree with the local comments. Why are these people any different from the rest of us. I visit Wales on a regular basis. I’m a rock climber and walker. At this present time I would not even think about visiting anywhere in this country Wales England or scotland. I must say not all people that has money agree with some of these people. Surely they don’t check on their homes in the winter so what is different now its just an excuse to break the law because they’ve found away to do it. Crush their cars imprison them… Read more »
Hope your safe in your 5 million pound home
Dead right, all the long waiting lists in this country, shame on you, 5 million 2nd homes would be a great help in easing the housing “shortage”
Are you saying that they pay the fine and are then allowed to drive on to ‘Dunroamin” without being turned back by the police?
Surely not ??
If people are going to choose to put the safety of others at risk, by ignoring the advice of government, then they must be stopped. Wales is CLOSED to tourists. Go home. Stay at home. You do NOT belong here. Be safe, and well. You’ll be welcome back once this is over
Not surprised one bit whilst nipping to my local Asda for essentials this morning, 2 cars towing caravans past me on the A55.
Wow Andrea you’re ‘local’ Asda must be miles away having to use the 55, couldn’t do without that wheel clamp and Hi vis until all this was over eh?
Having holidayed in Anglesey for50 + years it is obviously a place I absolutely love. However It disgusts me that people would consider now we have a lockdown in place to be selfish enough to add to the local burden on the NHS, increasing pressure on demand for food but most importantly the strong possibility of spreading Covid-19. The wonderful people of Anglesey deserve you to stay away until this is all over. Could a patrol be put in place on the two bridges if these people are tourists or second home owners a significant fine should be incurred which… Read more »
Well said Mrs L Brooker
I deplore these tactics, and support the travel restrictions established to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2. However, my concern is that second home owners will need to carry out checks and essential maintenance at some point. We are fortunate that we have friends in the area who can check on ours for us while we are unable to visit; however, some people may not be in this position. Many second home owners have contributed considerably to their communities over the years in various ways; we are not all arrogant parasites. Perhaps some informal arrangements could be established locally to check… Read more »
If a second home owner needs to have the property checked then they could employ a local to go and do the check. This probably wouldn’t cost much more that the fuel they’d use to get there.
The argument of the house needs checking so we thought we’d bring the family is purely selfish and idiotic and shows no concern whatsoever for the local community.
This is exactly what the Scottish Chief Medical Officer, Dr Catherine Calderwood, has been warned by the police for doing (twice). Blatant hypocrisy and a very poor example from somebody who should be providing leadership, and whose exhortations to ‘stay at home … ‘ etc. had been widely broadcast on Scottish television.
Who really cares? Whilst I don’t condone any attack on property such as you suggested, I think the campaign you refer to was somewhat nuanced – did you stop for a moment to think why that campaign had such widespread passive support in Wales? And why, up til now, no-one has ever been brought to justice over that arson campaign? The fact that you have a holiday home means that a local Welsh person doesn’t have a home, or if they have, it will be because somewhere has had to be built, thus contributing to overdevelopment. There is also the… Read more »
Just as a point of information, we renovated a dilapidated Grade II listed building which has been empty for two years. A previous sale had falled through. The property was purchased at auction. It is situated on a dangerous bend on the A487. We did not deprive any local person of a home; because it was listed, and because of its location, nobody local was interested. Our only competitor in the auction was a property developer.
It is to your credit that you saved a listed building, but Sibrydionmawr’s comments about holiday homes generally are entirely correct. The whole business is entirely out of Welsh control and contributes nothing, either economically or in terms of Welsh culture, to the areas where such properties are found. Many of these properties are actually advertised for sale outside Wales, and this obviously has to be put a stop to. The contempt shown for the people of Gwynedd by those who have ignored the requests to stay away will, I think, be a game changer after Covid-19 has been defeated.… Read more »
We had been intending to move to Gwynedd from our home in Cheshire. Last summer we looked at a considerable number of candidate houses. I am of Welsh descent (parents on both sides, from south Wales), and am very keen to do so; however, I will find it hard to persuade my English partner that she will be welcomed there after seeing some of what has been written in these comments. My concern is that anger towards those who are breaching the travel restrictions will be generalised to all second home owners, with the possibility of arson, criminal damage and… Read more »
The best solution would be the system used in Jersey, which has a local price and a ‘market’ price. Local people are given first option, and if no-one wants to buy, then the property is offered to outsiders at the higher, ‘market’, price.
I’m English but my partner is from Holyhead and wants to move back, we also bought a dilapidated property in need of extensive repair that had been on the market for several years. I have done the renovation myself using local suppliers and with occasional help from the Local farmer who has become a friend of mine . I havnt returned to my property since the lock down and nor will I. I’d like to say whilst I understand and sympathise with some of the views voiced,, I’m afraid that some of the basic racist rhetoric used is just as… Read more »
Calling out a section of English society that puts the lives and health of other people in danger is not “racist rhetoric”. The problem is occurring in the Scottish Highlands (lowland Scots the main culprits) and in certain rural parts of England (e.g. Cumria, which consequently has a high rate of infection). It is inevitable that if the same problem is vivited on Cymru, and the perpetrators are mainly from over the border, Welsh people will be angry. Wouldn’t you be if the boot was on the other foot?
Many countries are suffering the consequences of over-tourism, whether it is holiday homes or the dreaded Airbnb. Just look at the local political opposition to the increasing number of tourists in Barcelona and Venice. However, all economic development has its downsides as well as the benefits, so it is a matter of balance, which is very difficult to achieve owing to all the conflicting interests involved.
Well said, my thoughts entirely
Well said…it’ no wonder the English “tourists” are so disliked…no HATED…wherever they go….do as your told
STAY AT HOME and show a little respect
Priorities. Health is more important than property maintenance, checks etc. Such checks are not essential. I have businesses/properties in the west of Wales. I have not and would not ask anyone to check or to attend to maintenance matters. As for driving down myself – it has not occurred to me to do so- and I shall not. I respect my fellow Welsh citizens and human life too much. I think we have reached a point that as some people are obviously ignoring advice not to travel to holiday/second homes and travelling regardless of pollock stops and fines- more rigorous… Read more »
Absolutely ridiculous putting strain on local health services & spreading virus .. how do they know that they haven’t been infected already .. please stay where u r
I’m not a second home owner BUT why can’t people who own those (second) homes, pay local (council) taxes into Gwynedd, and would ORDINARILY shop in local shops, be excluded. Is this to boost the councils resources over and above the ‘norm’? Sorry – the Welsh want tourists to employ them and boost their economy and then want to keep folk out when it suits! I note too that Gwynedd and North Wales residents are happy to cross the border to use Liverpool and ENGLISH hospitals! Contentious comments I know – but you can’t have your cake and eat it!… Read more »
Firstly there is a ban on non essential travel, your little holiday is non essential. Secondly, a lot of holiday home owners (not all) have registered their home as a business to avoid paying the local council taxes. This happens in all the tourist areas p, e.g. Cornwall, Lake District etc. Thirdly, and proving your ignorance, if a person from Wales uses the NHS in England, then the Welsh NHS pays for their treatment. It is not about keeping them out, although personally I’m against anyone owning a holiday home, it’s about slowing the spread of a virus into areas… Read more »
Let’s ignore second homes for a moment. If you travel from Liverpool to, say, Warrington for any other reason than essential work or another permitted reason, you are breaking the law. Non-essential travel is illegal, whether it’s half a mile down the road or to the Welsh coast.
we cant cross the border for hospitals unless it is for specialist treatment like heart and neurological i nealy lost my leg 12 months ago because welsh health boards hadn’t got the equipment to sort and let me suffer in agony rather than send me over the border i had to pay private in the end to save my leg by the way by the way both my husband and i paid into the english nhs for45 yrs and didnt move to wales untill we were in our 70.s
Sorry your local hospital could not treat your leg Mr Lewis at University Hospital of Wales saved mine in 2011 (I could have lost it). Appears Wales can be a postcode lottery then.
Typical silly scouser! What part of everyone apart from front line and key workers to go out is so hard to understand? Why put a lot of other people’s lives at risk from the spread of something so terrible and the possible extra strain on the already struggling NHS. They don’t council pax on all these holiday parks as its not a permanent residence so there’s no gain for any of the Welsh councils there! It’s not Welsh folk wanting too keep people out through choice it’s on government and spacialist medical advice.
Big Taff, are the ‘front line and key workers’ immune then and we can be assured that no police officer, paramedic or shelf stacker will transmit the virus? Or does standing 2 metres away from someone make you feel safe? What say the person you are ‘social distancing ‘ from had sneezed into their hand and touched the Tesco card machine prior to you and when you ask the checkout girl if it’s been disinfected she says ‘yes, every morning ‘!!! No need to explain to her the pointlessness of her stupidity. What is happening is not a concerted effort… Read more »
Liverpool resident, what an utterly rediculous, brainless response. There are all types of human beings, unfortunately situations like this show up that proportion of the population who wete born with the selfish gene. Anyone commenting in defense of those idiots going against government advice and travelling to any holiday home in the uk truly show themselves up for what they are. Picture the scenario, one of them falls ill with Covid-19 turn up at local hospital to find no bed, no equipment and not enough nurses or drs to save them, me thinks and hopes that at that point when… Read more »
Now that says it all! nothing more than ignorrant comments and I’m very surprised that you think that us welsh are against the English. its igmoranus like you is the problem. You could come from Mars and we would welcome you with open arms in normal times but the this is a Pandemic that kills people and staying at home ( your own home ) can save lives and reduce the strain of our NHS. We only have the 1 major hospital to cover Anglesey and Gwynedd area which is a large rural area. So please keep your resist comments… Read more »
Welsh resident
we are on lockdown !!! my husband and son work for the NHS they put their lives on the line everytime they go to work people are dying no one is saying the welsh dont wont the English here please grow up .stay safe and stay at home
You aren’t comparing like with like. There are some people who think that they would be better off with a hard England-Wales border (they are as mistaken as people who believe a hard border between the UK and EU is progress); however, the majority who need specialist care understand that such hospitals are inevitably located in or near the largest population centres where there is the greatest demand as doctors treat people not acres. But that is in normal times, currently both governments (Welsh and UK) want to limit population movement and have emphasized the importance of staying at home… Read more »
my family on my dads side come from Liverpool but let me get one thing straight. yes you pay council tax on second homes but you’d pay that anyway where ever you are in Britain and the tourists aren’t employing the welsh., they are paying for the services they receive whilst visiting Wales regardless of what nationality they are. As for the question of going to Liverpool and English hospitals that is down to where the clinics are. Because most specialist hospitals are in England that is where the consultants send us. People don’t have a choice in that. It… Read more »
Knob of the day.
There is no tourist economy worth mentioning. The scraps which are tossed to our peasants are normally leftovers from the tourists shopping spree in England before leaving.
National tourists on the other hand are far more welcome, they actually spend their money here.
Its a long misconception that english tourists support the economy in Wales. They like to think so but reality is that we would rather if you stayed away….. permanently.
Not able to cross the border to use your services at the moment-check your facts. But Welsh nurses travelling to work in your hospitals.
Scumbags, just selfish gits who do not give a damn who they are responsible for killing. They should be locked up.
Not just a Wales v England matter. People from South Wales have caravans and second homes in West Wales.
It seems that they are for the most part complying.
In fairness it’s just a minority of idiots now who are trying to get into Wales.
Most people seem to have got the message.
Fatuous rubbish. You just don’t get it do you ?
Liz SJ’s warnings are issued to anyone entering rural or coastal Wales from where ever.It could be another part of Wales.
Similar warnings have been issued by politicians in Cumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk etc.
The positive aspects that have come out of this are irrelevant to the matter in question.
You are a danger to mankind.. The people of Cornwall, Devon or the Lakes don’t want second home owners visiting at this time either. How many people actually needs to die before you finally understand why people want visitors to stay away for the time being. I’m English but have lived in Wales for the past 30 years, Your bigotry and self entitlement is actually embarrassing to those of us who have their roots in England,, Please be quiet.
This absolutely disrespectful to the government & residents of any areas where this is happening, instead of a £60 increase it to £100 and that’s for everyone in the vehicle, although children are innocent of the scenario the parents / guardian are not, also when caught the vehicle should be fitted with a tracking device, all hire vehicles should be fitted with tracking devices too, this would be of benefit to hire companies anyway in normal times anyway, if this measure isn’t enough how about imposing a 3 month driving ban for those caught breaking the guidelines, harsh as it… Read more »
The sense of entitlement , self interest and complete lack of consideration for the health and lives of others by such people disobeying the ‘only essential travel is totally unacceptable. My anger is compounded by those supporting them stating the need for 2nd home property maintenance. Some sort of supreme right from those over the border to do as they will in Wales because of trite reasons as ‘add to local economy’, ‘own the property and pay council tax’ ( many avoid this by registering as a business). No largely such people are a detriment to the local culture and… Read more »
What happens if any of them become ill?these are very selfish people….me..me..me.they will expect Angelsey hospital to look after them.
There are no hospitals on Anglesey – Bangor is the nearest one
Prince Charles (part time Cornish man) nipping up to his holiday home in Balmoral surely that’s a£60 fine in the post?
Better to requisition wherever he is in Scotland and turn it into a hospital. Charles could even fund much needed equipment and protective garments. Thinking on this- is Buckingham palace empty at the moment- right in the middle of London. Great location for a hospital with extensive grounds. Flogging off the artwork, fixtures and fittings would go towards funding staff and equipment for the ‘royal’ hospitals
I have a static caravan in the Yorkshire dales.
The site closed, locked the gates and we haven’t been for 3 weeks.
Rules are rules, fair enough.
The Queen tottles off to Windsor Castle, Prince of Wales goes to self isolate in Balmoral, Prince Ginge is between Canada and L. A. And some swan off to Norfolk, one rule for us commoners and another for the elite
Very well said I totally agree x
Harry is James hewitts lad isn, t he, why should he be called a royal. After all his mother lived up to her name queen of tarts.
This comment is totally out of order. What did she ever do to you.
People are inherently selfish, Anglesey is covered by Bangor hospital, yes they have wonderful staff and a state of the art theatre wing with 10 theatres, but there it stops, the people who own second homes, I too Steve Haigh call a spade a spade and I don’t own a second holiday home, I own a static caravan on Anglesey, should realise if they are ill here the system is underfunded and cannot cope now, let alone when a national emergency is happening, last op I had I was sent from Wrexham to Bangor and the hospital couldn’t keep the… Read more »
Thanks for this post. Very sad, though. Good liuck , and happy Easter, the time of hope.
Come to South Wales. We have a lot of the type of people you’re talking about. Selfish tossers who think they should be seen immediately. Abusing nurses and doctors and even getting violent at times. We have the same scum in Wales.
They have arrived in Looe 3 doors away.. Selfish ba*****s. Blocking anyone from using the hammerhead turning area. Idiots from Birmingham. They say they are doing no harm.. WHAT!!!
Same here in my village in N Cornwall. Within yards of my home have had and in fact still got some visitors. One, judging by number of cars must have at least six staying. Sad to say, one culprit is next door neighbour. They are just blatant about it.
I vote Tory…I am English.. I am not stupid… you can keep your idiots.. you have forever helped me decide never to visit Wales, which I always thought was a beautiful place and would have loved to see.. but you are sooo rude that you have out me off. Shame you ruin it.
Bye bye then Terry. If you’re too stupid to recognise why the restrictions are in place, that the health service in these areas couldn’t cope with the virus that you may bring and more importantly that the people of Wales also pay taxes and pensions, then you’re not going to be missed.
Stay in England and fawn over your clown of a prime minister. You’re not going to be missed in Wales.
Theirs one way of seeing who’s going where in this time of lockdown,every mobile phone has a tracker,just needs the police to be able to access it,but the law’s prevent it,come on google allow them easier access to this track system.
Have the bridges guarded 24/7 that will stop the thick,stupid ,selfish people who think this lockdown does not apply to them. I have a caravan on Anglesey but would not dream of going at the present time
North Wales would not survive without second home/ caravan owners . what is different from self isolating in Manchester/ stoke/Liverpool??? The money these people put into your economy is astronomical, once this is over all you racist will open your arm’s and tills to make up for your losses, I live in Liverpool, my wife’s parents were welsh, and yes we own a caravan. You people want your cake and eat it, as long as people stay in one place and isolate what’s the problem?? Get over it !!!!!
This has nothing to do with tourism or economics. If anyone cared to take any notice, businesses all over the world are at the point of collapse due to the restrictions forced upon them by the virus. This is about resources and spread of a deadly virus into areas without the infrastructure to deal with the additional burden. It is about protection of vulnerable people and restricting the vector for the virus, which is human beings. This isn’t a Wales v England argument. It applies to any area where people have second homes. Everyone knows and appreciates the contribution second… Read more »
Most Welsh people don’t want ‘tourism’, and most of us don’t prosper by it, most of us don’t even make a decent living out of it, as most of the holiday trade is run by outsiders who, at best, will employ locals for three months of the year at minimum wage level, making it impossible to escape poverty. Many young people leave North Wales because the local housing market has become so distorted that they can’t compete in the local housing market due to those selfish individuals who want a holiday home. There is also the impact on the Welsh… Read more »
Tourism does absolutely nothing for the economy of Cymru. It only lays foundations to turn Cymru into a colony of England where Cymric people become a minority in their own country. If you think that tourism creates sustainable all year round employment then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
If we had the proper economic levers and powers we could build a sustainable economy without having to be dependant on the tourist pound to prop us up. Don’t get me wrong, tourism is and should be a valuable part of the economy, but by no means should be fundamental to it. We should be investing heavily in producing green energy and building and working on the opportunities this would create, incentivising our young talent to stay in their local areas and have people living in communities throughout the year. But we need Wales to start waking up…..
the difference is Manchester, Stoke & Liverpool have access to a much larger NHS service than what we have in Wales, people coming in from outside could be bringing the virus with them, and it will take fewer numbers of infected people to swamp NHS Cymru than it will to swamp NHS England, that’s what the quarantine is all about, trying to avoid swamping the NHS where ever, It’s quite simple stay at home,
How does money help at the minute you donut everything is closed
An economy built on low pay, zero hour contracts,
Subserviant to doffing the cap, Thatcher destroyed the UK manufacturing base. Wales never asked for a tourism industry , Britain has plundered our natural resources Coal, Slate and Water then sold us out, our youth are forced by necessity to move elsewhere no housing or opportunities for them in rural wales except to bow the knee to tourists or wipe arses in the private care sector.
You’re another deluded idiot who just think of themselves. North Wales wouldn’t survive without you? 🤔😂😂😂. You’re a funny muppet Gerard. You’re not as important as YOU like to imagine you are. I bet you dream of being superior, you’re not. You’re the same as the rest of us ordinary mortals.
I call them Shearwaters…They come in by night to land in their burrows.
I call them Shearwaters..they come in at night to their burrows,
This is disgusting,when people who live in Wales are abiding by the rules. These second home owners are putting local people here at risk. I hope that they get the army in to prevent this. Residents who see these second home owners should report them to the authorities.
Well said
The reason people voted tory was that the other parties held undemocratic views and the people don’t like that
This has nothing to do with your spending in Wales and everything to do with non-essential travel. I’ll say it again – NON-ESSENTIAL. It’s illegal in all of the UK. What is so difficult about that for you to understand? Are you thick, arrogant or both?
Plain Citizen your comment is completely out of context…no one with any sense wants to see death rates soar due to a minority of entitled idiots feeling they have a right to travel when there are elderly and other vulnerable people isolated from society for fear of losing their lives. Grow up and engage your brain
Maybe much, much higher fines, say £2000. Or, after lockdown relaxes, the’re sentenced to many hours of community service in the area of their ‘second home’ even seizure of their property for period of time that the courts decided, and used for the good of the local people
I live in rural England and have seen quite a few cars loaded with kids and quilts today coming to their holiday homes, my daughter lives on Anglesey and reports the same. I’m fearful of these selfish idiots putting a strain on local services. Our nearest hospital is 35 miles away and services are cut to the bone around here but a large influx of infected morons will leave people without ICU beds when they’re most needed.
Anyone at their second homes should not get access to local icu beds it’s that simple!!
Why does this rule NOT apply to Royal Family etc????
Also some people may be travelling to send food to people at risk group in Wales who can’t get home delivery! Stop assuming everyone is out for a jolly
Read the title at the top !
I think you might all be missing the point a bit here. No one is safe anywhere, Covid 19 isn’t Welsh or English, nor does it have any respect for Borders. The worst is yet to come and its already present in every area of the UK. Stop banging on about the latest target for your blame game and start preparing for the tidal Wave that’s coming for all of us.
That is because people are idiots and when they bring in even stricter policies it will be their fault.
This has been going on for hundreds of years the minority of English people, mostly from the south east do not care about anyone but themselves, they have never had any respect for the Welsh people or culture. We are here for their pleasure, just ask people from the north of England, the Midlands, Scotland, Ireland, France, Spain and many more, go home.
Yep, and if we stand up for ourselves by voice, we aren’t heard. So if we stand up by force, we are imprisoned. English like to rule us, makes them think they still hold an empire.
Plain citizen, is your middle name stupid ? Don’t go to Wales, the Peak District, the Lake District or indeed anywhere else that you may spread the virus, just stay at home until this emergency has passed. Is it so difficult to understand ? When we’re through this feel free to go wherever you wish to go.
I completely agree with the people of Wales on this, here in Cornwall we had the same problems with some bloody irresponsible holiday home owners actively encouaging people to come and self isolate! We only have one major hospital and that cant Cope normality. We get The same arguments about Being Hostile and how we will come begging when the tourists stop arriving, what is it with some people who think they have A god given right to Ignore important instructions from the government to keep people alive!
To be Fair the majority of SENSIBLE people have heeded the warnings.
Same on Isle of Wight but, as of today, only key and frontline workers are allowed, plus necessary deliveries of meds, food, etc. Holiday parks were still trying to get people to come and stay only a week ago and one posh hotel was advertising bolthole breaks for DFTs ( Down from Towners). If your main residence isn’t here, you won’t get in, second home owners. We have one hospital here which is stretched to bursting at the best of times. Same arguments about being hostile…
What the hell is going on here? I live in Anglesey and I’m abiding by the rules the Government have clearly stated no unnecessary travel, only to go out when necessary for essentials and to stay indoors to stop the spread of covid-19.
What is not to understand about that request to save lives!! It has got nothing to do with being racist or about tourist not being welcome. It’s just fact that for the time being, we as well as other holiday destinations are on lockdown.
Yeah I live in tenby and have seen several strangers pass my house, then watched as they go out and back an hour later without a care in the world
I think this is more about certain elements being selfish with no regards for others health And safety. We are told not to make uneccesary journeys and travelling to your second day home can not be seen as a necessary journey.
Yes!! And yes again!! As Welsh citizens we are open minded for where ever you live/ come from- but, taking advantage of second homes is wrong. Welsh houses for homes for Welsh citizens. Stop letting the English, or who ever, buy the Welsh out of our homes and communities. And with the Covid19 virus we should stop letting second home owners put a strain on our services by them coming here to hide. Stay away where you come from and stay where you already live-our services can’t cope with people from outside the local area. You have already priced local… Read more »
Well done, I totally agree and I don’t even live in Wales.
Let’s hope you don’t need hospital treatment then and die of the virus because Wales does have enough ventilators! Stop your ignorance and wake up you take your home with you to your grave!
Running with the positives for a moment. I’m self employed and have earned nothing for about two weeks since imposing my own lockdown. It looks like the self employed will have to wait until the beginning of June to be ‘invited’ to apply for any assistance….and that’s if you qualify. Plenty to complain about there. The positives? Being stuck at home has allowed me to do jobs around the house that have been waiting for a long time and more importantly greatly reduced the risk of myself, my wife and her very aged mother catching anything which at her age… Read more »
How do we stop all this easy. We have to stay at home. Our primary home. So give people cards allotting them their local supermarket to shop at and they can but food nowhere else. Not stealing food from communities not their own. Internet is not reliable I have not got ahome delivery slot yet! Keep them at home…yes they will starve if they don’t.
Set up road blocks/checks nip these selfish irresponsibles fine them heavily
Set up road blocks nip these selfish irresponsibles in the bud fine them heavily like £1000
Ok. So So residents from Wales should not access specialist health services from England such as cancer treatment, heart surgery etc because it overwhelms the services for local population??? If you relatives living in Wales and are not allowed to go out because they have a very high risk condition such as leukemia, we can’t travel to bring them food? I know there are lot of idiots out there who abuse the situation and totally understand the point people are making. But as usual these idiots spoil it for everyone else who may have genuine reason to support a very… Read more »
Travel to support a vulnerable person is allowed. However, it might be preferable to organise support locally via one of the many coronavirus isolation support schemes: see the Covid-19 Mutual Aid website.
Its quite simple stay in you’re homes not you’re second homes or holiday homes.life is precious there will plenty of time for all of us if we do this now.stay bloody home SIMPLE…..
What the hell does that mean, stop the mass murder of English people, what a pathetic, stupid and very immature statement, theres enough people loosing there lives to this horrible virus, the old the young and from all walks of life, loosing there life to this pandemic, and pathetic people mention mass murder of English people and violence wow what a wonderful world we live in, I’m English and lots of my friends are Welsh at my second home, which I might add I’m not there and would never go there in this horrible time. I’m not selfish and abide… Read more »
We have caravan in North Wales we were told on the 22nd of March to leave the next day I phoned home. To let my daughter know she said she and her boyfriend had been sent home due to cough ing and had to self isolateing so we could not go home we tried all night to find somewhere to go for two weeks we are now in southwales but have to go home Monday but are worried about be stopped by police but we are travelling home so hope we are OK
Good luck. Yours is a particularly difficult situation, but I think you’d acknowledge that it’s likely to be pretty exceptional.
Irrespective of where your 2nd home is in the country you should not visit it at the moment. It is surely common sense.
You are an idiot. The necessity of the government restricting travel is to prevent an already fragile nhs being overwhelmed and made ineffective. Flooding rural areas with people, and potentially the virus, where resources are already in short supply is completely moronic. It shouldn’t be case of what individuals want do do, but what the majority need everyone else to do. Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives. It really is that simple.
The government have told everyone to stay home observe the rules they are meant for everyone!
Plain citizen, you are a prime example of stupid, did you not hear, ABOUT THE KILLER VIRUS YOUR SPREADING
You wont need a second home if your dead which you will be if you carry on travelling around, I just feel sorry for the other people your putting in danger, self centered prat
I think that details should be taken, and they should be exempt from receiving 80% of earnings.
Most of the country are following the government guidelines.
Those that think they can do as they please must be made to suffer the consequences.
Anthony, your obvious trolling is sad. The Welsh couldn’t give a flyer if you’re English, Irish, Scottish, Mongolian, Chinese or any other race or creed – If your primary home is in a different country, county or state then that is where you should be isolating.
Shame on you.. people are dieing out there!.. I work at a NHS Doctors Surgery and a Receptionist did this – appalling…
They probably do have a right to drive miles to a place that’s short of supplies and where the health care system is already failing, even if that is a stupid thing to do. They don’t have the right to put others in danger and that’s what these new legal powers are about. I get on pretty well with my English relatives but then they are just normal sensible people. They lack your sense of entitlement. I doubt you’d like them. Perhaps you should change your surname to Chambers-Potts as you seem to be a bit of a spiteful a******e… Read more »
Ir just a knob head stay away what part of not traveling don’t u understand knobhead
It shouldn’t be difficult to close the borders. And use the nan power police to enforce them. End of.
That is pathetic grow up and take it seriously! .
I thought the rules were for everyone its very clear stay home do not travel. We do not have resources to support incomers during this un presidented time. Life verus second home its a no brainer stay home
Ur just a knob what if we all came and set up camp in ur village don’t think u would be happy at this time
Good news for North Wales folks!!
North Wales tourism chief has called for the army to be brought in to blockade Anglesey and protect the Island from people flouting social distancing rules.
The region’s six councils have made a joint statement urging holiday makers to stay away during the covid-19 pandemic. (North Wales Live)
This just shows us how bad things have become, all due to inconsiderate and selfish people not wanting to abide the rules for however long it takes to save lives from this horrendous virus.
Plain citizen has all the answers listen to him. He should be worshiped and adored. Nobody else matters listen to him. He wants all your attention give it to him. Let him wind you up. Help him to feel appreciated.
I was born and bred in West Wales and now live in the Lake District., so I have a foot in both camps! These requests are nothing to do with race, the simple fact is the health service in rural areas are not designed to cope with the extra load, same with shops. Plus, of course, the tying up of emergency services in case of an accident. Remember, it’s not ONE family doing it, there’ll be loads of them. If only people would use their intelligence a bit more.
Use the speed cameras on ALL roads in Wales to record the car registrations of ALL cars, then if any vehicle is not from that area the police could investigate and then fine the owners of those cars that should NOT be in the area.
Wales just needs to close its border as does north yorkshire
Long look at yourself i think, your full of hate and incredibly, dont really want to say it but you didnt hold back ‘really, really, not a very bright person at all’ deary me!!!!!.
Happy to take the ‘English’ coin when it suits, and use ‘English’ hospitals when the Welsh facilities cannot provide the necessary expertise …
How about we close ‘English’ hospitals to the Welsh, and let them sort themselves out.
Bunch of hypocrites.
Cachau bant a mynd a chwarae efo dy yn y gornel.
Da iawn Rhosddu, Beth sy’n dygwydd yma, y Saes eto wrth cwrs. Cymru am byth.
You knob, it isn’t about this, it’s about prevention. Can I have your address and perhaps we can get the virus to your door.
This is about stopping arrogant idiots who are spreading the SARS-Cov-2 virus and killing other people. Right now I don’t accept coins from anybody unless they wash them in 60% alcohol. So please keep your ‘English’ coin. It probably came from Llantrisant anyway! We just don’t want people bringing their germs to North Wales, whether they’re from England, Mid Wales, South Wales or Ireland. So don’t flatter yourself that this is about keeping out English people. 30% of Wales’ population was born in England (my in laws included) so we are way too late for that! It is about protecting… Read more »
Da lawn !! Well said Huw.
Never seen so many replies to a Nation article before.
Sad to see such anger and i don’t think we can expect a reasonable response to such intemperate language.
You racist, you Welsh are happy enough to take tourist money, Wales does not need freaks like you and I advise that you withdraw your remarks that English are stupid.
These people should be named and shamed as the potential murderers that they are. We live in the Scottish Highlands and have the same issues. The instructions are blatantly clear – you ate not welcome! Stay at home you selfish b*******s, protect the NHS and Save lives – it could easily be your child, partner, parent, grandparent that you’re responsible for killing. It’s as simple as that!!
Cant a message just go out from the Government, That if anyone turns up at a hospital not within the vicinity of where their primary home is and they are not registered with a GP in that country or county, unless there is a valid reason eg. keyworker, nhs, emergency services worker and they are using their second home as a base to work for the whole time of the lock down to help that area in time of crisis then they will not receive the medical treatment they may need. I’m sure this would deter the many people that… Read more »
Dont believe the propaganda !
Those with second homes in North Wales who insist on utilising their properties at the weekend or who are planning to visit over Easter have an acute inability to comprehend the meaning of Government and Public Health advice to “STAY AT HOME” Its now time for Boris intervention this week please and announce a complete lockdown as the Spanish Government have done – no ifs no buts – just do it !!
For god’s sake just off them, or keep them permanently, we don’t want the stupid gits back here. 😉
I am a caravan owner for 40 +years and dutily left the island when asked to leave 2 weeks ago at the start of this terrible virus as any intelligent person would realise that the infastructure in Wales would not cope with the figures that we are experiencing now especially if the visitors fell ill. Yes it’s hard and especially painful with the expense and not able to enjoy BUT we only have one life so precious . Keep the beauty of Wales in our mind and if we all do as we are asked could see an end to… Read more »
If only more outsiders shared your opinion, then Wales wouldn’t have to put up with people like you.
You’re missing the point. It is a national emergency, not a national holiday. And your sweeping generalizations about the Welsh are as mistaken as those made elsewhere about the English.
Oh please, please bar the bridges onto Anglesey. We do not want to be contaminated by selfish people, if you want to feel welcome here in the future, don’t take liberties with our safety now. Also, never vote tory!
Perhaps if LIz Saville Roberts had used the words about non-essential travel and second homes in relation to her own constituency rather than ‘spoken’ for Wales as a whole, we might have more light and less heat in the discussion.
Nope, we’re looking after our families. After all, don’t you have enough land your side of the border? Englishman.
Everyone needs to stay home its simple I am from England and I am staying in. I am not risking mine or anyone else’s lives. Whoever travels anywhere for a holiday is selfish. You should all be home educating your children being as the schools have been closed and they are just sitting home playing computer games. Every hospital in every county is built to a capacity to be able to treat people in their own area. Get a bbq and stay at home in the garden, pitch up tents and have holiday at home it’s simple kids have imagination… Read more »
Yooooooo knob ed!
What an idiot you are Plain citizen, the Welsh pay taxes too. Why should the Welsh Government buy second homes at 2019 prices when the price of all property is going to plummet after this pandemic? My advice to the Welsh Government is to buy these second homes and caravans in a few months at rock bottom prices and sell them to stupid tourists at highly inflated prices.
Up the fine to £2000 and 6 points
Freedom always come to a price. And you will always find people willing to pay that price.
Got them in pembs covid 19 refugees never see them otherwise.
We have a caravan near Llangollen and respect the local towns people and have not been to Wales
At the end of the day the government lockdown rule in England states, no unnecessary travel, you can drive 5 MINUTES to a LOCAL area for your once a day exercise… The police in Wales have applied stricter rules in that you have to walk from your home for exercise and not drive. Where in these rules does it allow idiots to travel miles to reach their second homes for a jolly. STAY AT HOME (YOUR REGULAR HOME), KEEP SAFE, PROTECT OUR NHS…
Second home owners should be letting the homeless stay at their property for the duration of this epidemic, to get these folk out of extreme danger. It’s the only moral thing to do.
The moral thing to do was not to vote Tory which in 10 years has created the surge in homelessness and never before seen foodbanks. Put your outrage where it should be put and fight for a decent society.
Agree, and every Tory on TV now praising “our NHS”, quite sickening.
Should just be a minimum 1,000 pound fine for the driver who has to pay for all the passengers to
Aberdyfi has an awful lot of “holiday/second” homes which a lot are still occupied, I think the lockdown needs to be stricter as so many are ignoring guidelines, they are putting unfair pressure on an already struggling system, local residents need these services as a priority.
Add a surcarge of £50 to pay a night out for north wales hospitals staff at a major venue such as venue cymru lots of local bands and catering folk.
I watched the publicity around the launching of the new Covid-19 symptom tracker app on the TV news yesterday, and it happened that the TV camera focusing on the app’s map of the number of people claiming incidences of virus symptoms clearly showed the northern half of Wales. I wasn’t especially surprised to see that Flintshire had quite a number of reported likely cases, given the fairly urban character of the county’s south and its relative proximity to Liverpool, which the app suggests is a real hot-spot for infection. But what did surprise me was that while both Denbighshire and… Read more »
I was on holiday in Tenerife at the time of the Spanish lockdown. My partner lives in South Devon, and I am self isolating there, under the essential travel restriction, even though my primary residence is in Dagenham.
I wonder what would happen if I tried to travel there, suspecting that I would be prevented from doing so.
Ah – one of the new generation of non-unionist Tory supporters, I see!
The people passing on this information, should be traced and severe action action should be taken against them. They are putting everyone at risk SHAME ON THEM ALL
A few years back, I was in Geres, France, and some folk were discussing how to avoid the French tax authorities in the same tone as I would wonder what to put in a sandwich. I don’t think these people have any moral compass, so appeals to reason are met with puzzlement. These holiday homers were English, but maybe it’s just a type?
Ooops! Nasty comment. Surely you don’t expect all Welsh living in other parts of the UK to go back to Wales…..?
So I take it all the people on here viciously deploring second home owners who have the audacity to be able to afford a second home, I take it you never go on holiday to a beautiful part of the country and rent a property? Right. I live 50/50 in my homes so theoretically where should I be during lockdown as I consider both to be home? Second home owners are normal people. I’m sure if we all had the chance we’d all buy property and it’s within our rights to buy where we like, as we all would given… Read more »
Get the police to take the vehicle of them then let the police sell the vehicle and keep the
money that will stop
The second home owners
People if they are going to check the second home don’t have to make all the family and a boot full of food
So much hatred in these posts. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. I’m horrified. Second homes anywhere in Britain shouldn’t be visited under lockdiwn, and those who can should be offering these properties to NHS staff where the home is close to a hospital or surgery. Cut the hatred though, it serves no purpose.
The police should do what the Chinese did to thousands of homes….weld the doors so nobody can get in. But in the case of the Chinese they welded their doors shut so they couldn’t get out and break the lockdown. They were literally prisoners in their own homes…..but it stopped the spread dramatically. You didn’t see people sunbathing in parks, by rivers on the beaches there. Nor having parties in their homes cos they couldn’t get out or in. We don’t need your custom now, we want to live, we want to relieve the pressure on OUR nhs not treat… Read more »
Ask Royalmail to get postie’s to report holiday homes being used
Not defending anyone at all but 2nd home owners pay 100% of council tax without using services apart from garbage collection when there. Just sayin’
Another example of the spirit of the Blitz, of which we are led to believe we will be reminded by Her Majesty this evening. Right up there with panic buying, abuse of retailing staff, social non-distancing etc.
If North Wales police put half the effort they do against speeding, no holiday makers will get near Anglesey.
Ban them from driving for a year as well as a fine
Find them, do they not want this nightmare over with its people like them are killing people, the longer they don’t listen the longer this goes on for STAY HOME it’s quite simple!!!!!
Bring in the army now, before many more lives are lost.
I wouldn’t be surprised that we may see the rise of Mebion Glyndwr after reading the comments on here from a minority of English tourist’s. The arrogance and attitude that has been shown towards the Welsh blantenly suggests that they have no respect or have any care for the Welsh communities they are invading. It’s quite sad really that they have this view that they are above everyone else and have the right to do as they please to the extent of being inferior to the laws of the land.
But it looks as though Isle of Wight, Cornwall, Yorkshire and the Highlands also have this problem. Obviously, it
is huge and not “a minority”. I’ll go out on a limb and suggest it is the loss of Christianity, or moral fear.
As for Mebion, most of the old Special Branch are either retired or dead.
I’ve got 3 homes
If you are driving into Wales at night hoping not be seen or caught, you must know it is WRONG. Have you not heard the statement advice from the government to STAY AT HOME. All those in the NHS are doing their very best to look after all those who already have the Virus. Why are there so many Selfish, Inconsiderent and Ignorant people who think that this Pandemic is not serious. All you people who have a second home, you do not need to use it at the moment, look forward to going when we can travel further than… Read more »
It’s not just Wales , I live in Great Ayton in North Yorkshire and there are many unfamiliar faces in this small village .
I take it that this also applies to all members of the Royal family who have headed north. South, East and west. Or are they exempt unlike us mere mortals.
I am lucky enough to be Welsh, live in England and have a second property in Wales. A message to all those selfish idiots not adhering to the Pandemic Lockdown. STAY AT HOME! People like you will be the reason the Government enforces an Italian type lockdown in the coming weeks. This is a serious health emergency. In the short term fines should be increased and more roadblocks set up. More enforcement is clearly necessary as people are just not listening.
All fantastic it you believe what the government says, how come the planes are still landing from everywhere .
It’s about time their houses were threatened with forfeit to fund nurses bonuses. We’ve got the same in the South Hans. Take the house. Flog it, share the proceeds leave them with the mortgage. They will think twice then.
Perhaps we should start using our passports to prove where we live when stopped by the Police,and if you are more than so many miles from home 5-10 miles max you should be given a massive fine, or even have points put on your licence, we need to do something to the small percentage of the population that don’t seem to care.
Just selfish people who don’t care but will be the first to say how the UK NHS let them down if they need a ambulance while staying at their second home.
I pity any citizen of the UK right now who just cannot seem to use some commonsense and have thought for others – all for a measly few months. So what if the sun is out and you happen to have two places to live! That’s two places more than many. Instead of whinging and taking the attitude that it “wont happen to me”, we would ALL stand a chance of recovering from this faster if we did as advised. Businesses would have a glimmer of hope of not losing their livelihoods in the blink of an eye.Hundreds of families… Read more »
WTF is wrong with these people?
There is a caravan site near me with people living there, who shouldn’t be. It closes down for the winter months. There are lights on at night in quite a few. I’m surprised the police haven’t checked it out.
Joan, i am staying away from my mine but i have automatic security lights, cctv and i can control my heating remotely, i am worried that some local may think there is someone there if they see steam coming from my boiler flue or see the security lights come on at night and cause trouble, please dont jump to conclusions not all 2nd home owners are irresponsible! Yes i fully agree, if you see any ideot at there 2nd home, report them to the site owner, they dont want to lose their licence and lively hood. Thank you everyone for… Read more »
this obviously doesnt apply to the Scottish minister ??
People love to visit God’s country. And as for being backward who has the most cases of Covid-19 England of course because they seem to be too stupid to heed the warnings.
..I know for definate there are second home owners self isolating in Rhosneigr……Unoccupied houses are now occupied and have been since the official lockdown . The council will have a list of the addresses and quite honestly I think a knock on the door by the police is needed and send them back to isolate in their primary homes, right now .They have ignored the emotioal pleas from some of our GPs and local NHS staff ..not only that we have a large Universal Credit service centre just off the island dealing with thousands of new claims from people in… Read more »
If people do not stay at home, the lock down will continue for longer as the virus is continuing to be spread, also restriction on movement will be raped up. Its as simple as that. Please be sensible.
Selfish unprincipled 2nd home owners fleeing high population areas that will become virus hotspots for sure bringing the virus in their wake should not only have their cars confiscated, their 2nd homes should be confiscated as well and returned to the people they are forcing out of communities that should be their birthright. And they have the cheek to try and make it look like they are doing the communities and local authorities a favour. Stay away from Wales now and forever
It’s only a matter of time before people will start doing things they shouldn’t the anger is growing cause these people are selfish and arrogant and don’t care about the guidelines that are there for everyone and that includes them..
Block the bridge to non residents, they are so ignorant and selfish
So selfish
Great idea the army should manage the bridges or the island and islanders with be put in great danger. were quite lucky at the moment. its not fair them sneaking over during the night and people who know of holiday makers in there area should report them immediately to the police. its not that we don’t want or appreciate them having holiday homes and understand people want to visit this beautiful island . but not at this worrying time. putting us locals at risk our families at risk!! Anglesey and your holiday homes will still be here for you all… Read more »
you should not be travelling not only r u putting urself at risk but ur putting the small town or village ur holiday home is in they wouldn’t have resources to deal if an outbreak happened if people from inner town took virus out 2 wee rural villages and I’m sure the village people wouldn’t want the risk either … we all need 2 take this serious as its peoples lives we dealing with …even the people that r keeping use fed and looked after think about them they have 2 travel and most have families and don’t want 2… Read more »
There is a very simple answer to this. We are currently stranded in Cyprus where there is a night time curfew from 9pm to 6am. Let me tell you there is no leniency out here, its zero tolerance! We have to text Goverment number with all personal details before we go out of the door and take your passport. You are only allowed to go to one place once a day. Police told us to go home after visit to Pharmacy and that we were not allowed to go shopping as well. As we’ve failed to get in touch with… Read more »
What’s £60 to a second home owner!?
A cheap risk for a holiday block ALL entry into Wales as its happening all over sadly.. These idiots won’t learn! 🤦♀️🤬🤬
It’s so unfair to put the police under more pressure than they are already facing on a daily basis. What is the reason for not deploying the Army. This tactic is already in place abroad.
What is the reason for not bringing in our Army to back up our police force.
Simple one rule to stop these super spreaders is not to fine them but PUT them on the nearest Hospital ward to help out with this virus .Dont think there would be any one sunbathing or sneaking into wales then.
Simple lets get these super spreaders off the roadway,s and put them in the hospitals to help out with thus virus .Dont think you will get so many of these super spreader,s in holiday mode then would we .
Comments are being moderated and removed on here in favour of the original narrative. Don’t waste your effort on this big brother game!!!
Why don’t you just set fire to people’s second homes? Like you used to do.
This is insanity. Why are they doing this. Stay at home your primary home. We are in the fortunate position to own a second home in Wales which we were going to retire to. Suffice to say we have no intention on going there during this crisis. Its being looked after by our great neighbours. My family and friends all work in the NHS and I cannot emphasise enough the amount of critical care beds in Rural Wales will not support a mass influx of second homers riding out the storm. Not to mention the geographic location of hospitals meaning… Read more »
How did the “Tourism Czar” find this out ? Already tracking all mobile messages perhaps ? Make no mistake, if as I suspect there is tracking going on, noone is safe after all this finishes.
Selfish, selfish people 😡 putting so many others at risk with no regard for the many amazing people sacrificing their time with their families and friends to keep others safe. It’s shameful they are adding additional pressures on already stretched services and resources. We, like many other hol home owners, would not dream of coming to Wales and going to our caravan (on Anglesey) until we are given the ok.
Use the Army at Border Crossing Points
Give the Police full authority to stop all vehicles, the driver then to produce their driving licence to prove address, if not local then the driver to be advised to return to the address on the licence and details sent to that Police force to follow up in 24 hrs.
I have a second home in old colwyn & I would like 2 go to my apartment.but i follow the rules& stay at home.throw the book at these selfish uneducated morons
They are selfish idiots,they should be named and shamed, both my wife and sister are working in the NHS and given the casualties now happening to NHS staff, it is a scary time for them, and not helped by these irresponsible people.
I am happy to set up a website that will facilitate the reporting of Second Home Returnees to the authorities now that they have asked people to take a proactive role in informing them of COVID-19 refugees. Do people think that they would, in fact, use a simple resource like this to inform the police of homes being occupied by those irresponsible and selfish enough to breach the travel restrictions? Could call it “Snitch on a Sais”, lol.
Cymro,
I think that would be a brilliant idea!!
I’ve been told that we have very irate residents on the Island that have received unwelcome 2nd homeowners to their village and if something isn’t done soon people could very well take matters into there own hands. 😳
They want to be careful a few Welsh mad men don’t do something to the second home
Back in the 70s the Welsh activists simply set fire to the holiday homes and the estate agents who sold to the English.
Anyone that thinks 1- it’s OK to come down here from a place that has a high count of carona to spread it to us are selfish dick heads but 2-we also can not support extra people in the NHS down here! You don’t belong here and you definitely are NOT welcome here. Stay home and leave us and ours alone you absolute poor excuses for humans!!!
They are doing it in the daytime too, using transit vans and yellow vests to pretend they are working! Staff member in the petrol station near me on the corwen to bala road seen people doing it yesterday 🙁
There are people living in their holiday home on Anglesey who have symptoms of covid-19. Which surgery or hospital are they getting or going to get further treatment from? How are they going to get their usual supermarket deliveries now that the slots are fully booked up for a month? They will be using the local mini markets and paper shops, which have limited space between the aisles and ones in which the staff don’t have PPE or the space between the till and the customer when serving. Or worse still, visiting the supermarket spreading the virus to staff and… Read more »
It’s time to close the borders into wales 🏴
I don’t see a problem on someone checking on their property (house not caravan) if they drive straight there , don’t leave whilst they’re there, do what they need to do and drive straight back no overnight stay or visiting local shop etc. What I will say is that I do know of a couple of people my neighbour for one who regularly drives to England to visit his elderly mother at least once a week, and also another person who is having fortnightly cancer treatment in a Manchester hospital driving back and to. These are welsh driving to England… Read more »
If people aren’t allowed to use their holiday homes can they claim a council tax refund.
If the authorities wont allow visits to holiday homes will they refund council tax for relevant period?
some comments leave one thinking some welsh are money grabbing bigots
Are these ignorant dregs of society really representing a true cross section of Welsh opinion?
I have a holiday home on it’s own I live 11 miles away still in Wales I haven’t been there I have to do all mantince ourselves know it’s ok for government staff to travel 250 miles one rule for us one rule for them.
I have a home in wales, on Anglesey fully paid for and supporting the local tourist economy. If I am to be turned away then I demand a return of my council tax paid at 135% . Money used to help the community in which I have a HOME. I am obeying all lockdown restrictions and can travel in my own car to the property. I need to go and check it is all ok and to upgrade security as local people feel it is ok to take advantage of the situation and trespass on to our private parking areas.… Read more »
I have my property in Snowdonia as only home of mine in the world, since lockdown I have been living with my sons in England.
One of my neighbour rang me and told that water is leaking from the kitchen of my cabin, please suggest if I can go to my cabin and see what is required to do over there.