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Tories have ‘real problem among voters with strong sense of Welsh identity’ says politics prof

04 Jan 2022 2 minutes Read
Jacob Rees-Mogg

The Tories “have a real problem among voters with strong sense of Welsh identity”, a politics professor has suggested.

Professor Richard Wyn Jones, of the Wales Governance Centre at Cardiff University, was responding to a claim by Jacob Rees-Mogg, when he made the comments.

The Eton-educated Conservative politician had claimed that “England and Wales have both benefitted from being part of a single kingdom since the reign of Edward I”.

According to Professor Jones “it’s hard to see what they’re trying to achieve here beyond mere self-gratification”, by making such comments about Wales.

Rees-Mogg was responding to comments from the Westminster-appointed Welsh Secretary Simon Hart about England being loaned four million Lateral Flow Tests by Wales, amid a shortage in the country.

Professor Jones said: “Given that the Tories have a real problem among voters with strong sense of Welsh identity, it’s hard to see what they’re trying to achieve here beyond mere self-gratification? Has 2019 led to complacency? At any rate 1997 & 2001 reminder of the very serious risk they’re running.”

‘Annexed’ 

Wales was conquered and annexed in 1283 by English monarch Edward I.

Following the annexation Edward embarked on a policy of English colonisation and settlement of Wales, which included building a series of imposing castles, known as the Iron Ring, to secure the conquered territory.

The territory did not become one kingdom at the time. Some of the land was divided between Marcher lords. Other lands were retained by Edward under direct royal control and were organised under the Statute of Rhuddlan of 1284.

However, they did not become part of the Kingdom of England because were the English King’s personal fief. In 1301, they were granted to Edward’s son, Edward of Caernarfon (the future Edward II), with the title “Prince of Wales”. The lands and title then became the customary endowment of the heir to the throne.

Wales was formally incorporated into the Kingdom of England with the Laws in Wales Acts 1535 and 1542, which was during the reign of King Henry VIII of England.

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Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
16 days ago

It’s this sort of colonial know your place and be grateful attitude that will break up the UK, the fools do not realise this as they are so full of their own self importance. It’s a good thing for Wales, we will only become more prosperous if we are independent.

Stephen Vaughan
Stephen Vaughan
13 days ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

I think you need to be able to point to a strong business case for making that claim.If you know of one, please share.

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
13 days ago

Independence will not be easy – we all know that but what’s the alternative? More under-funding leading to further neglect and poverty in one of the richest countries in the world. How can that be right? Anyway you asked for some sort of busines/economic case. There have been a number of studies done by Cardiff University but the link attached is by IWA Wales. For a start like most countries Wales will not bring in enough money through taxation it will have to borrow and sell bonds. https://www.iwa.wales/agenda/2020/01/the-economics-of-an-independent-wales-pt-2/

Last edited 13 days ago by Steve Duggan
Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
11 days ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

We must also build a Welsh financial centre including our own stock exchange so that businesses can raise funds and also provide a platform for collective ownership of the means of production.

j humphrys
j humphrys
16 days ago

Lots of people with a strong sense of English identity also hate the Tories!
To me, they are simply foreign.

Erisian
Erisian
16 days ago

It might help their cause if their own MPs with Welsh constituencies acted as if they put Wales above petty-fogging party dogma.
I’m sure there once were Welsh conservatives worthy of the name at some point in the past.
I just don’t see any at the moment who don’t bow the knee at the drop of a hat.
Sad for them, good for Wales though. Can’t wait for the next general Election.

Cofid
Cofid
16 days ago
Reply to  Erisian

The whole notion of a Welsh Tory is an oxymoron.

Last edited 16 days ago by Cofid
Stephen Vaughan
Stephen Vaughan
13 days ago
Reply to  Cofid

Or even an Ox

GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
16 days ago

I can safely say that Rhys Moose or whatever his name is represents the complete opposite of what Wales and it’s people believe in. This is why his self serving turd of a party will never get the most votes here.

hdavies15
hdavies15
16 days ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

now that’s a bit harsh on the moose as a species. Far more harmless and toxic than the JRM species. I was going to refer to him as a lizard but there again reptiles don’t offend me that much !

Hogyn y Gogledd
Hogyn y Gogledd
16 days ago

Yma o hyd!

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
16 days ago

The Tories are essentially an English party. And their supporters in Wales & Scotland adopt or appropriate Englishness as a badge of dishonour. And whenever there’s a Tory Conference witness their anthem sang, which affirms who they are. Namely, Jerusalem. Here’s a lyric from said song: “I will not cease from mental fight, Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand. Till we have built Jerusalem. In England’s green and pleasant land”. Both WTL Andrew RT Davies & WS Simon Hart are not Welsh politicians. They are English overseers placed in Cardiff Bay to antagonise the Welsh Government and hinder… Read more »

Last edited 16 days ago by Y Cymro
Peter Cuthbert
Peter Cuthbert
16 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

Perhaps for Tories it is less a case of nationalism than of Caste. One needs to step back and look at society in the UK from a Caste perspective. The ruling caste are the wealthy, usually land owners and expect to be the Government and run the roost. After all why have we not got rid of the pinnacle of the cast system, the Monarchy? Now the Tories are the political party of the wealthy caste and folk from the ‘lower’ castes who become Tories presumably do so with the expectation of raising their caste status. After all that is… Read more »

Last edited 16 days ago by Peter Cuthbert
Grayham Jones
16 days ago

We in wales have got to stop being little Englanders and be proud to be welsh kick all English party’s out of wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 it’s time for a new wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Tory scum
Tory scum
11 days ago

The fact is the Tory party is full of elitism and cronyism. They are a self serving party with a bumbling buffoon as their leader. If in the next election people vote for these clowns then they have sealed their fate. Still trying their best to sell off the NHS and when you here the millions spent on companies PPE with direct links to Tory party members and donors it’s enough to make your blood boil. This is the Tory Party and if you vote for them you are literally like a Turkey voting for Christmas… BOBBO NEEDS TO GO… Read more »

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