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Tory MS calls for old 30mph signs to be retained ahead of promised speed limit review

06 Jan 2024 3 minute read
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Dale Spridgeon, local democracy reporter

A Welsh Conservative MS who has called for the 20mph speed limit on restricted roads across Wales to be scrapped, is asking local authorities to save the old 30mph signs ahead of a promised review.

Janet Finch-Saunders, Member of the Welsh Parliament for Aberconwy, had previously supported the move to a default 20mph limit in Wales.

But she later U-turned on the reduced limit and voted against it when the legislation was introduced to the Senedd by the Labour Welsh Government and Plaid Cymru.

Since then she has called for the default limit to be returned to 30mph. This week she urged local authorities to retain their 30mph signs to reduce costs if the limit is reversed.

It comes as both Vaughan Gething and Jeremy Miles, who are vying to replace Mark Drakeford MS as First Minister, committed to a review of the speed limits if they are elected.

Mr Drakeford is set to step down as the leader of Welsh Labour in March.

Future use

Mrs Finch-Saunders said “Clearly, tax payers money has been wasted, and local authorities across Wales should be contacted to ask for all the old signs to be preserved for future use.

Whoever is the next Labour First Minister for Wales, we are almost guaranteed a review of the default 20mph speed limit.

“The worse thing about this shifting position in Welsh Labour is that the introduction of 20mph has cost around £30 million.”

Good condition

When asked for their views on the matter a Cyngor Gwynedd spokesperson, said: “Since the Welsh Government introduced default 20mph speed limits on restricted roads in Wales from 17 September 2023, former 30mph speed limits in most areas of Gwynedd have been reduced to 20mph.

“Some of the 30mph signs which were in good condition have been retained and the rest were recycled. Gwynedd Council has applied the Welsh Government’s guidelines when introducing the new restrictions.

“Therefore, as part of the detailed review process by Council engineers, 85 sites in the County were identified where there was justification for not changing to 20mph and these areas have remained at 30mph.

“Since these changes were introduced the situation has been monitored and evidence gathered regarding how effective the changes have been. Cyngor Gwynedd continues to welcome feedback and discussion with local communities regarding the changes and its impact on specific areas.”

It also noted that the responsibility for speed restrictions and signage on trunk roads in Gwynedd is a matter for the North and Mid Wales Trunk Road Agent as the relevant Highways Authority.

A spokesperson for Conwy County Borough Council also added “We’ve kept all the usable signs for any future maintenance use.”

Denbighshire, Flintshire, Wrexham and Anglesey council’s were also contacted for a comment.


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Jeff
Jeff
1 month ago

Cons still trying to make this a wedge issue and a war on motorist when they completely ignore what their masters in No10 have been doing to the UK motoring public and transport for 13 years. Target why we need food banks, target why my car insurance is up 60 notes, target high fuels costs, target people living in poverty….. nah 20mph grrrr

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
1 month ago

What’s wrong with these Tories? This 20mph fixation is doing them no good. There are other more urgent matters that should concern her, like pressing her masters in London to do more to help people struggling with the cost of living crisis.

Che Guevara's Fist
Che Guevara's Fist
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

It’s a cost of capitalism crisis. Make no mistake, it’s intentional and will not go away while her mates stay in number ten aided and abetted by the very working class sufferers of it who bizarrely keep on voting for more of it.

Richard 1
Richard 1
1 month ago

So “evidence has been gathered regarding how effective the changes have been”: Who has asked whom, and what exactly was the question? The key issue is “what impact does the limit have on people who walk, cycle, and use wheelchairs?” Nobody has asked me and I’m not aware of any evidence being gathered in Powys, where I live. Speeds on the A483 through Llandrindod are largely unchanged; 5% compliance at most, I’d say.

Peter
Peter
1 month ago

I think Jeff and Steve haven’t understood things correctly. It is the two Welsh Labour candidates that have brought this up, not the Tories.
And it is only common sense to hang on to the old 30 mph signs just in case it all changes again. After all we don’t want to have to spend another £30, million putting things back. Mind you the way that the Senedd waste money perhaps they do.

Jeff
Jeff
1 month ago
Reply to  Peter

The cons have been tub thumping for No10 since it came out. They have not let it go.

Rhddwen y Sais
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff

Totally agree this is hot air if they had any support they would have had a petition and Llafur Prif Wenidog candidates would be reviewing this totally sensible policy.

Jeff
Jeff
1 month ago
Reply to  Rhddwen y Sais

Oh I don’t know which way this will go, I was ambivalent but want to see it through to the first correct review. I can see positive outcomes now and it has not impacted me, certainly not as much as 2 ton of pig iron impacting a child at 30 vs 20. But one thing that stands out is the way a wedge issue can be created, off the back of a massive loss of seats at Uxbridge (but a slim win) and watch the way it is gamed. Brexit happened for a reason, same play here. But one thing… Read more »

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
1 month ago

I never understand why they had to change every sign on the area where the restriction applied. They could have used plastic over sticks ‘Km/h’.

Why not have 30Km per hour where necessary and 60Km/h outside towns.

The rest of our continuent use Kilometres, so why don’t we ?
1 Kilometre is 1000 metres and 100,000 centimetres – easy to remember. No confusion.

Rhddwen y Sais
1 month ago

Fantastic reply totally logical. I take it you vote Plaid.

Why vote
Why vote
1 month ago

I’m sorry I seem to have this all wrong. I was under the impression that it was the Labour Party that wished the 20mph fiasco upon us I didn’t realise it was the tories my fault. I’m thick, of course the tories have a majority in the sennedd that’s why they are the cause of all our ills. There seems to be a love affair between voters and the Labour Party in wales after 25 years of partial independence nothing has been brought to a conclusion on that front, not a big fan of the tories but if they pledge… Read more »

Rhddwen y Sais
1 month ago
Reply to  Why vote

Everyone who signed that petition lived in England and the Tories may not have any power but everything is their fault, everyone with a brain knows that.

Why vote
Why vote
1 month ago
Reply to  Rhddwen y Sais

Sorry can’t reply to that can’t stop laughing.

Richard E
Richard E
1 month ago
Reply to  Rhddwen y Sais

Do you know “ Grayham Jones “ our much missed and loved former correspondent who shared your pure and simple view on 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 England, Tories and the cabal of enemies who in his view regularly plot against Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿.

It’s so good to see his range of views and comments back 👍🏼

Rhddwen y Sais
1 month ago
Reply to  Richard E

I am a simple man some would say twp others drewllyd. Edward y March was my hero.

James Harbron
James Harbron
1 month ago
Reply to  Rhddwen y Sais

Yeah, I live in Bala, as everyone knows Bala is in Surrey.

Richard E
Richard E
1 month ago

Shopped @ Llandudno this morning shopping and “ U turn Janet “ and her latest 20mph swerve was the talk of the coffee shop regulars 😂….

She is the only local MS who has managed to upset both the safety lobby and the boy racers !

Last edited 1 month ago by Richard E

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