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Welsh Government correct police chiefs on 20mph data

23 Sep 2024 2 minute read
A 20mph road sign

Richard Evans – Local Democracy Reporter

The Welsh Government has issued a statement after North Wales Police bosses said they had no evidence that the 20mph speed limit had reduced casualties.

The force’s chief constable and crime commissioner made the statement last week at a North Wales Police and Crime Panel at Conwy County Council’s Bodlondeb HQ.

North Wales Police’s Crime Commissioner Andy Dunbobbin and Chief Constable Amanda Blakeman said they were unable to provide, or hadn’t seen, evidence that the 20mph speed limit had reduced casualties.

The 20mph default speed limit was introduced on restricted roads by the Welsh Government on 17 September 2023.

The Welsh Government has now said there has been a long-term decrease in both casualties and collisions.

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A Welsh Government spokeswoman said: “The latest data shows that collisions on local roads have reduced significantly.

“We will continue to monitor the long-term trend, but things are heading in the right direction.

“We also recognise some roads should revert back to 30mph, which is precisely what will happen as a result of our review.”

The Welsh Government said in the first quarter of 2024 there were 811 road casualties reported in Wales. Of these casualties 16 (2%) were killed.

188 (23%) people were seriously injured. 607 (75%) had slight injuries.

A Welsh Governments spokeswoman said: “The total number of casualties is 17% lower than in the previous quarter (982) and 16% lower than in the same quarter in 2023 (968).”

The Welsh Government also claimed road collisions had reduced.

According to data in the first quarter of 2024, there were 606 police-reported road collisions in Wales.

Of these collisions 16 (3%) were fatal. 163 (27%) were serious collisions. 427 (70%) were slight collisions.

The total number of collisions is 18% lower than in the previous quarter (737) and 17% lower than in the same quarter in 2023 (733).

The Welsh Government also said the number of police-recorded road collisions in the first quarter of 2024 is the lowest quarterly figure recorded in Wales outside the Covid-19 period and that the number of quarterly road collisions in Wales has been declining over the last decade.


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Welshman28
Welshman28
19 days ago

This data is floored . It’s impossible to contribute any accident to speed unless each case is looked at individually thus finding the cause.

Mr. Sneeze
Mr. Sneeze
19 days ago
Reply to  Welshman28

It’s not necessary to link cause to speed. The cause might be a driver checking their Insta likes, but at a slower speed they may still have been able to avoid the crash, or it may have resulted in a dent but no injuries.

Blinedig
Blinedig
19 days ago
Reply to  Mr. Sneeze

And near-misses don’t get reported. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Paul ap Gareth
Paul ap Gareth
19 days ago
Reply to  Welshman28

Surely if the only variable that has changed is speed limit. It is logical to assume that reduced collisions is the result of that speed reduction.

Annette Jones
Annette Jones
14 days ago
Reply to  Paul ap Gareth

Look at the published data for deaths and serious injuries on all roads since implementation and ask the same question. If you get an answer, please let me know, as I’ve been asking for months.

Erisian
Erisian
19 days ago
Reply to  Welshman28

I assume you meant “Flawed” !?

Howie
Howie
19 days ago

Could they have been talking about North Wales specific data?

Overtaken again this week on Park Road Newbridge, still impatient drivers about.

Owain Arfon JONES
Owain Arfon JONES
19 days ago

Bit of a flawed article here where the comparison is not the same. Welsh Government is looking at All Wales Statistical data whilst the Chief Constable of North Wales and PCC is looking at their force specific data. Suggest the author asks the WG for North Wales specific data. Additionally more scrutiny is required, where did the collision occur? Was it in a 40/60 or 70mph road. This type of statistical data should be retrievable from the stats produced by Police for every casualty collision. If we want to look at 20mph effectiveness perhaps the statisticians need to focus on… Read more »

Milo
Milo
18 days ago

The bit I think is weird is they they are comparing summer holidays traffic to winter traffic and trying to compare the two. A bit like when they said 50mph on the M4 had reduced NOX emissions, especially when you compared the air quality during the COVID lockdowns like they did.

Benjamin
Benjamin
19 days ago

One day Wales will have a right of centre gov’t as Iceland, Sweden & Czechia do, and it will bloom in a golden age. But those conservatives will be serious about taking power and put Welshness 1st.

Paul ap Gareth
Paul ap Gareth
19 days ago
Reply to  Benjamin

Wales has has a right-of-centre government (pre devolution) It resulted in Wales being the poorest region of the UK. Whoever is in power in Cardiff will still be hamstrung by London’s failure to review Barnett, London’s choice to falsely say investment in England benefits Wales and therefore Wales doesn’t need any match funding. London making UK policy that is for the benefit of the City of London rather than us. Look at how the right wing Government replacement for EU funding – that is a fraction of what Wales got from the EU. Left or right in Cardiff doesn’t stand… Read more »

Iago
Iago
15 days ago
Reply to  Benjamin

Welsh conservatives are self loathing Dic Sion Daffydds that wish they were english

Old Curmudgeon
Old Curmudgeon
18 days ago

Can’t really be a long term decrease as the restrictions haven’t been about very long yet.

Why vote
Why vote
18 days ago

All data can be manipulated as was 1020 people are representative of the population of the country to instigate this policy.

Milo
Milo
18 days ago

Interesting to use year quarters to compare road death stats, normally we pick the stats for the same quarter of the previous year, which makes me think this isn’t very honest reporting.

Geraint
Geraint
17 days ago
Reply to  Milo

The report looked at the previous quarter, a drop of 17% and in the same sentence quoted the data for the previous year which showed a drop of 16%.

Annette Jones
Annette Jones
14 days ago

When is the Welsh Labour government going to stop cherry picking the data to suit their agenda and instead paint the whole picture?
Published data showed road collisions were on a downward trend for years and available police accident data published by the Welsh Labour government shows that since implementation deaths and serious injuries have increased on all road totals.
Why is the Wlg refusing to acknowledge this anomaly and what are they doing to find out why this is happening?
Or, do those additional people’s deaths not matter?

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