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Welsh MPs back controversial deportation Bill

14 Dec 2022 4 minute read
Rob Roberts MP. Photo by David Woolfall is licensed (CC BY 3.0). Virginia Crosbie picture by Stacey Mutkin (CC BY-SA 4.0). Sarah Atheron picture by David Woolfall (CC BY 3.0).

Three Welsh MPs backed a controversial bill which sought to force the UK Government to ignore rulings from the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) over the deportation of asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Jonathan Gullis, a former Conservative minister, introduced his Asylum Seekers (Removal to Safe Countries) Bill to the House of Commons on Wednesday, but MPs declined leave to bring it in by 188 votes to 69.

Conservative MP’s Virginia Crosbie, Ynys Môn, Sarah Atherton, Wrexham and Rob Roberts, Delyn, who now sits as an Independent, all voted for the Bill which critics said proposed breaking international law and breached human rights.

Even if failure is virtually certain for the majority of private members’ bills, it is unusual for ten-minute rule motions to be objected to and they are usually allowed to proceed without any debate at this stage.

Undermines decisions

Detailing the purpose of his Bill, Mr Gullis, the MP for Stoke-on-Trent North said: “Whilst we may have freed ourselves from EU control, we still have (a) quasi legislative supranational institution that fundamentally undermines decisions made in our democratically elected and sovereign Parliaments.

“That is why I’m introducing my Bill to the House today.”

Mr Gullis explained his proposals would mean “we can get the migrants who have entered the UK illegally, onto the flights to Rwanda” and in the future, to other safe countries to have their claims processed.

He went on: “Thereby changing the law to explicitly ignore the European Court of Human Rights from meddling in our sovereignty on this specific matter.

“This Bill is about demonstrating that Parliament is on the side of the British public in restoring our great nation’s territorial integrity.”

The Conservative MP also praised the Nationality and Borders Act as a “landmark piece of legislation” and referred to Australia’s offshore handling of refugees as “successful”.

Legal challenges

On April 14, former home secretary Priti Patel signed what she described as a “world-first” agreement to send migrants to Rwanda but the first deportation flight, due to take off on June 14, was grounded amid legal challenges.

The legality of the policy has since been contested in the courts, with ministers and campaigners awaiting rulings from High Court judges on the case which are expected to be handed down on Monday.

Ahead of the vote, Liz Saville Roberts MP Plaid Cymru’s Westminster Leader said: “Today of all days – when four people died in English Channel – Tory MP Jonathan Gullis has decided to introduce a Bill that will demonise asylum seekers and break international law by proposing the Government deport people regardless of court decisions. Plaid Cymru MPs are voting against.”

Urging MPs to object to the Bill, the SNP’s home affairs spokeswoman Alison Thewliss said she could only assume Mr Gullis had “never met anybody who has fled war or conflict”.

She argued an independent Scotland would “live up to our international responsibilities”, adding: “No one is illegal. This Bill just might be, please object to it.”

According to The Telegraph, Conservative former prime minister Mr Johnson and Ms Patel were in support of the legislation.

The Bill’s other “co-sponsors” included Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nadine Dorries, Tim Loughton and “six other MPs”, the paper said.

The division list released by the Commons authorities later showed that former Welsh Secretary Sir Robert Buckland, David Davis, Simon Hoare and David Simmonds were the only Tories to vote against the Bill.


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Mr Williams
Mr Williams
1 month ago

Shame on these politicians for scapegoating and spreading fear about vulnerable, needy people, acting out of desperation.

Shame on them for their lack of human compassion.

Shame on them for their lack of concern for human rights.

Shame on them for their concern for ideology, while lacking concern for human suffering.

Shame on them for their selfish agendas.

For shame!

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
1 month ago

“This Bill is about demonstrating that Parliament is on the side of the British public in restoring our great nation’s territorial integrity.”

Obviously I take issue with the word ‘nation’ (there are 3 nations on the island of Britain) but also how are needy people a threat to ‘territorial integrity’? – Britain’s an island!

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Riki
Riki
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

Well you could argue Britain just shrank to what is now the territory that is Wales. Which goes a long way as to explaining why England, Scotland and Wales apparently get included twice in “The United Kingdoms of Great Britain” – British is clearly referencing solely Wales and it’s founding by the Britons.

Bryn
Bryn
1 month ago

Disgusting.
The transformation of the Tory Party into UKIP plus is complete.
The ECHR.
Set up at the behest of a certain WS Churchill…
No doubt he would be considered too left wing and wishy washy for our BluKip MPs.

Peter Cuthbert
Peter Cuthbert
1 month ago
Reply to  Bryn

Could it be that to become a Tory MP one has to have one’s compassion for others surgically removed along with the ability to see the truth and tell the truth? No doubt this lot will all claim to be practicing Christians, but from what I recall from Sunday School, these folks are completely against all the teachings we received back then. One despairs… Why are they unwilling to set up a legal immigration channel for anybody wishing to come here? That would completely undermine the business model of the people traffickers. Could it be that they actually approve of… Read more »

Cathy Jones
Cathy Jones
1 month ago
Reply to  Peter Cuthbert

If they allow safe routes they won’t be able to use the “migrant menace” to distract their voter base of failures and racist biddies.

Cathy Jones
Cathy Jones
1 month ago

revolting, truly revolting, disgusting and dangerous people. Remember these dirtbags when its time to vote look at their faces remember them, remember that on the day a boat full of people capsized in the channel these (ahem) human beings voted in favour of a racist, xenophobic, international law-breaking piece of legislation that will surely be one day remembered as one of the darkest in “UK” history. Fascism is here. ….because we remain a part of this “United Kingdom”, every day we are part of it makes us complicit in this outrage, there must be ZERO amount of Tory MPs or… Read more »

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Windy
Windy
1 month ago

Perhaps the mega rich people who come to reside in the ununited kingdom and claim nom dom status should also be sent to Rwanda I’m sure the airlines will provide them with a first class section on the planes

Crwtyn Cemais
Crwtyn Cemais
1 month ago

Does gen i ddim geiriau (cwrtais) am eu pleidleisiau…. ~ I have no (polite) words about their votes…

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 month ago

At least Gullis is out of the class room, thankfully those three will be looking for another job sooner or later…What jobs might they apply for in the future…?

Cynan again
Cynan again
1 month ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

Hopefully not teaching! I wouldn’t want our young radicalised by these ideologue sociopath extremists

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 month ago
Reply to  Cynan again

Virginia was a part time maths teacher…says wiki…

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 month ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

Maybe CEO of Nuclear Freeports of Anglesey Unlimited awaits her if her years of planning come to pass…

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
1 month ago

Why am I not surprised at these three little England bigots. Let’s ignore the European Courts for Human Rights. No shame. They will get their just desserts. Just a matter of time.

Radian Prys
1 month ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

What percentage of English are they. Perhaps you should set up a commission to determine their racial origin.

Cynan again
Cynan again
1 month ago

It’s an anti-human, cruel bill.
OF COURSE the Tories created it and voted en masse for it.
Tories gonna Tory!

Kathleen Walker
Kathleen Walker
1 month ago

All Tories going to Hell

Riki
Riki
1 month ago

So they have no second thoughts about messing with immigrant rights! Who’s next, the native Sons and Daughters who speak out about Wages? Working conditions? Foreign Royals? Etc. The Slippery slope that the Tories long for has began.

Charles Coombes
Charles Coombes
1 month ago

Shame on all of you.

Delyth Llywelyn
Delyth Llywelyn
1 month ago

Only one outcome of that vote: more deaths in the Channel.

Alan Jones
Alan Jones
1 month ago

Why do we bother with a “foreign office” anymore, it used to be said that Britain’s FO was one of the most experienced & accomplished in the world with a couple of centuries of expertise behind it. If this is the case why aren’t this army of diplomats being deployed on diplomatic missions to the very countries where the poor souls that are being demonized start out on their perilous journey, then, through diplomatic discussion with the political/ ruling classes try to thrash out the why’s & wherefore & offer possible solutions & if required some assistance, whether this be… Read more »

Dave
Dave
1 month ago

Something needs to be done as these criminals are making a laughing stock of us and our laws. If the Tories don’t deliver on the borders act and removing these people then they will be out of luck come the next general election as people are unhappy. Nobody that enters the UK illegally no matter their excuse should be allowed to stay. Worse when they are clearly asylum shopping when bypassing safe countries to illegally enter the UK. Rishi Sunak was never voted for by the people so his standing is unstable at best and so far hasn’t done anything… Read more »

Riki
Riki
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave

So an African wanting to travel to England (UK) has to go through checks! Meanwhile an Englishman can just come to wales without any? That’s some Logic! Both should require Doing it by legal means.

Dave
Dave
1 month ago
Reply to  Riki

Wales is part of the UK so that isn’t really needed.
Also you don’t have Englishman illegally entering Wales like England has from people crossing the channel in small boats.
You don’t have people from England coming to Wales under false pretences, demanding benefits and taking over hotels while doing unspeakable things to the local women and children.

Very different.

Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave

No one is an illegal immigrant until their claim for asylum or refugee status has been finalised.
You obviously have never heard of unemployable anti social families who have been relocated from England to Cymru by Housing Associations.
If Cymru could contol outsiders moving in then we would never have been a haven for Mark Bridger, Darren Osbourne and the Far Extremist in Ynys Mon who was recently jailed.

Dave
Dave
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnny Gamble

Yes they are, they took an illegal route into the UK, paid criminals to smuggle them in, bypassed customs, no passport or any ID. They lied to the home office, they are only in the UK to chase free money and the fact they bypassed all those safe countries in Europe or the sheer number of crimes they commit on our soil proves what they are, illegal immigrants looking for hand outs. They are criminals and know full well what they are doing is wrong. How many Welsh people are in England? How many of them have been anti social or… Read more »

Dave
Dave
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave

Since you comment isn’t showing up Johnny Gamble I’ll reply here. Each one of these people aren’t genuine asylum seekers as they have had to pass though or avoid much closer safe countries to reach the UK. Due to the location of the UK it is impossible to reach without going through a safe country first or many safe countries so that dismisses their claim as anyone who is truly desperate would seek shelter in the first safe country not cherry pick. * Then keep in mind how few of these people have been honest to the home office, even… Read more »

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Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave

Maybe we should be having this conversation on Parler then at least I you would have seen my reply that Nation Cymru wouldn’t publish. Why don’t you target your hate towards the criminal gangs that target these people by charging extortionate fee’s for the channel crossings through loan sharks. One of the reasons for choosing the UK is that most of these people speak English and before you go on about benefits under the law Refugees and Asylum Seekers are unable to work until their claims are finalized. You seem obsessed about the taxpayer paying for these people,yet all the… Read more »

Dave
Dave
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnny Gamble

I do blame the gangs but the criminals paying for passage know what they are doing so are hardly innocent. As for speaking English that is an excuse as most know only a few words but claim to be flaunt. So for benefits they aren’t being housed? They aren’t in free hotels? They aren’t being queue jumped for housing? They aren’t getting a free phone, free food, free spending money? If you check you’ll see I’m right. * Without criminals willingly paying the traffickers there wouldn’t be a problem. * Strangely enough there’s no war in France where all these… Read more »

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