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Westminster power grab ‘an affront to devolution’

04 Feb 2025 4 minute read
Labour MS Alun Davies

Chris HainesICNN Senedd reporter

Senedd members criticised a “power grab” from Westminster, describing plans for UK ministers to make laws in areas already devolved to Wales as an “affront”.

The legislation committee raised concerns about the UK Government’s data use and access bill which would give UK ministers regulation-making powers in devolved areas.

Labour’s Alun Davies said the bill, which aims to make better use of data, would repeal regulations in Wales and impose English ones uniformly across both.

The former minister warned: “If UK ministers believe that they should have the right to take decisions and exercise regulation-making powers without the consent of Welsh ministers – that’s a very, very significant affront to the settlement.”

He explained the bill provides powers for UK ministers to act “only in consultation” with the Welsh Government, adding: “Consultation, as we know, means nothing in reality.”

‘Bewildered’

Mr Davies said: “A bill like this tells you all you need to know about the inadequacies of the settlement but I’m genuinely bewildered by the Welsh Government’s approach.”

During a committee meeting on February 3, he suggested the Welsh Government was “piggybacking” on a UK bill and losing its powers as a consequence.

“That seems to me a real dereliction of responsibility,” he said.

Mr Davies asked: “Why on earth … what was the policy objective … that you’re just going to accept the imposition of this in some ways from the UK Government?”

Rebecca Evans, the Welsh Government’s economy secretary, responded: “These are the key issues we’re in discussion with the UK Government on now.”

‘Muddle of powers’

Calling for the Welsh Government to legislate in its own right, Mr Davies said: “It just seems to me that we are creating another muddle on the border, another muddle of powers.”

Ms Evans, who came into post in September, replied: “I don’t sense that this is an area where something’s being done to us, it’s an area where we’re collaborating.”

Pointing to the Welsh Government’s “consent not consultation” principles on UK legislation in devolved areas, she told the committee most of the bill’s provisions are non-devolved.

Mr Davies, a backbencher since being sacked by Mark Drakeford in 2018, said: “We’ve got a new UK Government that made all sorts of assurances prior to the general election about extending the powers of the Senedd … devolving different matters … treating Wales fairly.

“We haven’t seen many of those delivered so far.”

The Plaid Cymru-turned-Labour politician contrasted this with powers being “taken away” from Wales to be exercised by the UK Government.

‘Slippery slope’

Warning Welsh ministers could be overruled on devolved matters under the bill, he said: “This scenario is not something I’m at all comfortable with. I wasn’t comfortable when the Conservatives were suggesting it, I’m not comfortable when Labour is suggesting it.”

Former Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price echoed his concerns, asking: “Are we on a slippery slope here, where England and Wales is once again coming through as a concept constitutionally to areas that we thought we had devolved long ago?”

He pressed the minister on whether she is in favour of the Senedd consenting to the bill, with Ms Evans saying she could not give a recommendation until talks with UK ministers end.

Seeming to prefer to seek compromise rather than set redlines, she described the issues as nuanced with a difference in view between the Welsh and UK Governments.

Labour’s Mike Hedges, who chairs the committee, asked why all the constitutional concerns have not been addressed since the change in UK Government more than six months ago.

‘Ongoing issues’

Ms Evans said some of the concerns with the predecessor data protection and digital information bill have been addressed by the new UK Government.

But she told the committee: “It does remain the case that there are still some ongoing issues that we are in discussion with the UK Government on.”

Ms Evans added: “It’s not the subject matter that we have concerns about, it’s more about those ongoing discussions on constitutional points.”

Senedd members will vote on the bill under the legislative consent motion, or LCM, process.

While the Sewel convention states the UK Parliament would “not normally” legislate on devolved matters without such consent, it is not legally binding.


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David Richards
David Richards
25 days ago

Even after just a few months It’s already clear that “in discussions with the UK Govt” is code for the welsh labour govt doing whatever the uk labour govt tells it to do. So much for Mark Drakeford’s assurance that a labour govt at westminster was Wales’ “insurance policy”.

Brychan
Brychan
25 days ago
Reply to  David Richards

Yes. FM Eluned is too afraid to stand up for Wales. When she said that she’d raised issues, one example is HS2 consequential, she lied. No formal representation had been made on behalf of the people of Wales. It’s time to remove Labour from office. They no longer represent Wales.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
25 days ago

Trwmp, Trwmp, Trwmp; the boys are marching to the top of the hill and down again…Flood the Zone and watch the ants go mad…

Goldfinger meet Musk in the Fort Knox Cloud

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
25 days ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

What’s that ? Clark for Odd Job !

Keith Parry
Keith Parry
25 days ago

What do we want? Independence! When do we want it? NOW!

Garycymru
Garycymru
25 days ago
Reply to  Keith Parry

Yesterday.
The UK is a laughing stock we desperately need to distance from.

Fi yn unig
Fi yn unig
25 days ago

I’ve broken my own rule here of not reading the whole article before posting a comment. Complaining about Westminster power grabs yes? Well, there are two ways to go here. Let Westminster power grab everything OR put unbridgeable CLEAR RED WATER, yes, between Welsh Labour and UK Labour and talk to your friends Plaid Cymru about presenting a united front to achieve Independence and the survival of our country. The alternative is handing it away to the ultimate power grab. EXTINCTION!

Brychan
Brychan
25 days ago

There is a clear democratic mandate for the Senedd to have full legislative control over our affairs of current devolved responsibility. The referendum result was 63% in favour and 37% against. Any attempt to over-rule our democracy can, and should, be met with other means, as required. Whilst certain Labour quislings “collaborate” that is unacceptable to the people of Wales.

Paul
Paul
25 days ago

What is the point of the Senedd? Why are we even considering enlarging it and paying members more when all we need is someone on the end of a phone to say “Yes” to whatever Westminster want.

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
25 days ago
Reply to  Paul

If we want a democracy in Wales we must have a Senedd which cannot be overruled by a neighbouring country.

The current arrangement is clearly not working:
Go for a fully independent Wales and a fully independent England and lets make deals from an equal level.

Abolish the UK: There is not legal written constitution between Wales and England that is valid.

Rob Pountney
Rob Pountney
25 days ago

I’ll be so happy when we finally get rid of this venomous right wing English nationalist Tory government… Erm….

Nigel
Nigel
25 days ago

How do federal states like Australia manage this?

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
25 days ago

Why is Welsh Labour shedding crocodile tears, especially seeing former Carwyn Jones was responsible for repelling the Wales Continuity Bill Act passed in 2017 protecting any would-be power grab from Westminster, if & when a government with malicious intent came to power. And remember, the 2017 , “Wales Devolution Continuity Bill” of ” LDEU”, would have protected the Senedd and ensured with Brexit that EU Laws once retained would be returned to Wales being part of areas already devolved such as agriculture & fisheries etc The Supreme Court already acted positively on our, Wales , behalf before when the Challenged… Read more »

John
John
25 days ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

I suppose the major dynamic which has changed a lot is Brexit. Acts like these would have been unnecessary pre-Brexit as it we would have all followed EU regulations. Now we brexitted, there are clearly some parts of legislature where there is ambiguity on who’s responsibility it is. But all of this gets trumped if the EU insists on things (i.e. legal assurances on data transfer), which they want applying across the whole of the UK

Last edited 25 days ago by John
Neil Anderson
Neil Anderson
25 days ago

Devolution was always a dead duck.

Or a dead cat thrown on the table to distract us.

Now the rollback is being continued by the Glorious Renegade Labour Party.

They wouldn’t dare to stand up to Starmer. Cymru 0 ‘the UK’ 1.

Only independence can rescue us from being crushed further by English and neo-liberal hegemony.

We can do better than this shower of incompetence and ignorance emanating from Westminster and its mini-me acolytes in Bae Caerdydd.

John
John
25 days ago

I’m curious to know how this significantly undermines the Senedd. Anyone care to explain? The purpose of the Data bill in Westminster is to preserve data adequacy status between the EU and the UK. Otherwise personal and business data could not be transferred between the EU and UK. This would be challenging for many businesses, who are already suffering from Brexit. Things like technical support, online payments, just about anything that shares business or personal data would be effected. In this case, there seems no point in having separate devolved powers (even if they are previously devolved) – as everyone… Read more »

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