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Latest evidence of support for Reform UK in Wales poses huge challenge to parties on the left

08 Feb 2025 6 minute read
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage speaking on top of a double decker bus. Photo Jordan Pettitt/PA Wire

Martin Shipton

Something without precedent is on course to happen in Welsh politics.

The latest “megapoll” on British voting intentions at a general election continues the trend of bad news for Labour, but suggests the party would do spectacularly badly in Wales, winning just five of the 32 seats.

The Find Out Now poll carried out for Electoral Calculus between January 22-29 suggests that Reform UK would win 23 seats, while Plaid Cymru (Ceredigion Preseli and Caerfyrddin) and the Conservatives (Monmouthshire and Vale of Glamorgan) would win two each.

Labour would win the four Cardiff seats plus Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney, with all the rest going to Reform.

While the poll predicts outcomes at the next general election, scheduled for 2029, it provides a pointer to next year’s Senedd election, when more than a century of Labour being the biggest party in Wales could be demolished in a single day.

Up until now, many have been arguing that Labour has shot itself in the foot by insisting that the Senedd election uses the Closed List electoral system – opening the door for Reform to get a sizeable chunk of seats thanks to its wholly proportional nature. But with Reform predicted to take 23 seats in a First Past The Post contest, Labour looks like it may have done itself a favour: on these kinds of figures, it will do better under the Closed List system than it would have done under the hybrid system being ditched.

Exasperation

My first reaction was one of exasperation. I took the view that people were following the latest fad and acting like sheep, without thinking rationally or considering the implications of supporting a party like Reform and what it stands for.

There seemed to be a contradiction between the fact that most people now accept Brexit was a bad idea but that the party led by some of its leading proponents was now riding high in the polls. It didn’t make sense.

Then I was told that a friend who had been a Labour supporter all his life, was certainly not a racist, had always espoused what would be regarded as progressive views and had no time for Trump had joined Reform and was apparently thinking of applying to be a candidate.

This completely threw me and suggested I needed to revise my view of what was happening.

I discussed my shock at this unfathomable conversion with a mutual friend, who is an experienced political strategist, and agreed with him that – apart from anything else – backing Reform was now seen as an acceptable, mainstream option by many people. Nigel Farage’s decision to distance himself and his party from “Tommy Robinson” had helped make Reform appear respectable, and reassured those who wouldn’t want to be associated with thuggish behaviour.

On the issue of people supporting Reform despite believing Brexit had been a mistake, our mutual friend said: “It’s about a lot more than Brexit these days. In fact, it’s no longer about Brexit at all.”

‘Burn it all down’

Asked why people were prepared to trust chancers like Farage and Tice, he said: “I don’t think they do. But they don’t trust anyone. So burn it all down.”

How did my strategist friend think a Reform-led Welsh government would operate in practice? He agreed with another of my friends, who had suggested it would largely be run by civil servants.

“I do think it’s a mistake to believe it will be a ‘disaster’, he said. “There’s a limit to how much you can mess it up and expectations are not high.

“If they’re clever re politics they’ll just focus on a few big gestures – abolishing ‘woke’ quangos, trans stuff etc, and people will think it’s a job well done. Plus lots of money for veterans and a cancer drugs fund.

“The other parties are in complete panic, and don’t have a clue what to do or say – Labour especially. It’s an opportunity for Plaid, though, to be the anti-Reform option.”

Most of this is very depressing, but probably close to the truth.

Dispiriting

As someone who has been on the left throughout my adult life, I find the state of our politics immensely dispiriting. Inequalities are getting worse. Cardiff University, where I did my postgraduate journalism training many years ago, is planning to cut 400 jobs and close down five Schools, while the Vice Chancellor is paid £290,000.

Years of austerity have hit people’s living standards, but the Labour UK government elected seven months ago is not delivering improvements.

That people are turning to the likes of Farage as if he has any real solutions seems absurd to me. What makes it worse is that he is closely allied to Trump, whose style of governing is that of an impetuous and vengeful dictator, who thinks nothing of threatening other countries and attacking international bodies that uphold the rule of law and bring aid to the most vulnerable. Why would anyone sensible want to ally themselves with any of that?

Reform’s current success in Wales is not replicated in Scotland, where the party wouldn’t win a single seat and the contest is between the SNP and Labour. This points up yet again the challenge Plaid Cymru has in breaking through beyond its heartlands. With Labour haemorrhaging support, there should be an opportunity for a Welsh party with nation-building aspirations, founded 100 years ago this August, to come to power, like the SNP did in Scotland in 2007.

Commitment

Plaid Cymru has the advantage of having been around for a long time and of having politicians of commitment and experience in its ranks. It will have the chance to present a comprehensive policy agenda that focusses on the needs of Wales, rather than a cut and paste job from England. Yet to have a chance of success it needs to improve its messaging and shake off the image it has for many of only caring about the Welsh language. That may be demonstrably untrue, but there remains a need to make that known more widely.

Plaid needs to improve its messaging at all levels, not least on social media, where Reform gained traction even before Farage took over the leadership from Tice.

Plaid, Labour and the other parties of the left have a duty to expose how Reform is a party that will act in the interests not of the ordinary people whose votes they are seeking, but in the interests of billionaires like Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg.

That’s the most relevant message. But it’s somehow got lost in the ether.


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Llandudno boy
Llandudno boy
20 days ago

The questions need to be asked: why might people in Wales consider vote for Reform UK? What are the other parties not delivering/offering? What is Reform’s appeal? I’m certainly not advocating voting for Reform, but I can understand people’s frustration. The main parties have failed to make the people’s lives better, they have not always listened, they have failed to improve public services, failed to bring down the cost of living, and tied the country up in radical left ideology (like wokism, multiple gender theory, etc.) – that you dare not disagree with, or you risk being verbally tarred and… Read more »

Karl
Karl
20 days ago
Reply to  Llandudno boy

Easy, other parties won’t call a liar a liar. Plain talk, but integrity needed.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
20 days ago
Reply to  Llandudno boy

Still if we can get the trains to run on time and drain the swamp…

I hope both you and N.C are not advocating similar…

Felicity
Felicity
20 days ago
Reply to  Llandudno boy

Yes, hoping for the best is not an option. It makes a very strong case for a Federal UK, where we are not continually hamstrung by Westminster.

Dewi
Dewi
20 days ago

Mussolini was credited with making the trains run on time, but what has the Welsh Government achieved in over thirty years of devolution? While President Trump signed executive orders by the dozen daily, people in Wales are left wondering: what tangible progress has our government made? Free bus passes may have saved devolution from complete failure, but beyond that, where is the real progress? Where are the tens of thousands of social housing units Wales desperately needs? Do we have to wait for a Labour government in London to step in and tell us what to do, even in areas… Read more »

Jeff
Jeff
20 days ago
Reply to  Dewi

Trump is trashing the US daily. Executive orders are not the panacea you think and musk is gutting the systems that hold the place together. Today NIH chopped billions from medical research.

Mussolini ended up shot and strung up from a roof with a few of his closest after the crowds had vented their anger at them. After he got into bed with a fascist and dismantled the state. Sound familiar?

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
14 days ago
Reply to  Jeff

Trump is trashing the USA.
Large US companies such as Pfizer are shrinking due to the anti-vacs lobbies in government there. American Tech companies has not been performing that well since the democrats left office.
With trade wars, China is open for business, more people will buy VW and BYD electric cars than Tesla.

Under Reform UK we will follow Trump’s America to the pit of disaster.
If you don’t like what it is today it will certainly be worse under fascism.

Iago
Iago
16 days ago
Reply to  Dewi

Gobble gobble gobble from a Turkey desperate for christmas

Godfrey
Godfrey
11 days ago
Reply to  Dewi

Immigration in Torfaen IS out of control tbf.

HarrisR
HarrisR
20 days ago

A bit difficult for Labour to point out that Reform is the “front” party of millionaires/billionaires when that is pretty much what the Starmer Labour party has become. Starmer himself gaining the Leadership on the back of covert funding from hedge funds and millionaire donors, all undeclared until forced to. And then subsequently heavily fined. And in government, now extreme concern and solace for the heroic non doms, but hypothermia for pensioners, with massive cuts looming for the disabled and sick. Of such things is “fictitious” growth built. One thing that’s missed about Reform is that people know they are… Read more »

S Duggan
S Duggan
20 days ago

Ironically, going for the jugular and attacking Reform – will have the completely opposite effect. It’ll elevate the party as the anti establishment option. People are also just fed up with confrontational politics and want answers to their problems, not division. Plaid should focus on what it can bring to the table. What it will do upon gaining power and crucially how it will do it. Regarding Reform, just keep to mentioning that it is an English based party, without any Welsh policies and no Welsh leader and leave it at that.

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
14 days ago
Reply to  S Duggan

It is Reform UK, yes UK !!!! The clue is in the name.
Do you want to be part of a failing state: the UK.

You really need to say ‘Auf Wiedersehen UK’.

Follow our own destiny.
Become an independent nation that we always should be.
Support our experienced only Party of Wales: PLAID CYMRU.

Godfrey
Godfrey
11 days ago

A lot of people in the valleys probably identify as British…..which makes sense considering cultural make up of the area.

Couple that with the misplaced aspirations of the super poor.

And there you have it.

Plaid cannot win with Rhun Ap Iorwerth imo. It’s a game of media and personalities and Plaid have neither. They should spend any money they can generate on the best marketing firm going, pay Facebook to plaster their adds left, right and centre, get a leader from the valleys who looks the part, whatever that is ….and then maybe they’ll stand a chance.

Karl
Karl
20 days ago

Need to point out lockdown shagger tice is a part time immigrant in a muslim country. Call ou their very obvious issues of hypocrisy. Farage is a failed mep and worse mp. They have a culture of failing, but gaining support on weird fake fear.

Adrian
Adrian
20 days ago
Reply to  Karl

What about lockdown ‘voice coaching’ Starmer – does he get a pass?

Garycymru
Garycymru
19 days ago
Reply to  Adrian

Ah “whataboutism” the last ditch effort of the pathetic.

Fanny Hill
Fanny Hill
18 days ago
Reply to  Garycymru

AKA Refuk manifesto.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
20 days ago

Eluned sure is useless, they all are, but just because we just suck it up does not mean we have to become Fascisti !

Y Cymro
Y Cymro
20 days ago

If Ukip & Brexit party offered Wales scant reward when Wales followed England by naively voting to leave the EU with the result Wales is worse off losing hundreds of millions in structural funding, our ports suffered greatly due to red tape and the Welsh economy has been affected more than any other. Did Farage care? Like hell he did. He’s made millions while those who followed him are left to rot on benefits while he’s sucking up to Donald Trump in America. Don’t Welsh voters understand that Reform UK are basically a combination of Ukip & Brexit Party? The… Read more »

Ap Kenneth
Ap Kenneth
20 days ago

Reform is not offering anything past sound bites. You cannot outflank them on immigration but draw attention to the work you are doing to remove those who do not have a right to be here. Reform is owned by Farage and you concentrate on what he has said multiple times in the past – he wants to sell off the NHS, have a insurance backed system that will cost all of us ££££ every year or you go without. Keep banging that out.

DarkMrakeford
DarkMrakeford
20 days ago

What boggles me more is how anti-tory a lot of these labour areas are, yet pitching a party on anti-immigration and ‘anti-woke’ politics is enough for people to vote for one. How much impact these actually have on people’s lives is debatable especially on a devolved government level. I think Labour has contributed to creating such an environment as much as the Tories have to give this “drain the swamp”. The next attack when Reform fail to deliver because they know realistically nothing can be improved with these policies will be against Welsh language and culture which if Plaid don’t… Read more »

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
20 days ago

They failed to see through Brexit…Reform is a completely different word, it will make all the difference…

I expect they hesitate to tell us that thanks to pollution we, as a species, are getting more and more stupid/nasty/mean…the next century will be a poem by Adrian Henry

Steffan Gwent
Steffan Gwent
20 days ago

With elections being cancelled in England then Reform will relish their opportunity for Senedd seats.

David Richards
David Richards
20 days ago

Wise counsel from Mr Shipton, but it’s a counsel i fear the political class which has governed Wales since 1999 will not heed. The truth is Farage & Co dont have to do anything between now and May ’26 to emerge as the largest party in Wales’ Parliament except point to the last 25 years. The most underperforming nhs in the uk, the worst educational standards in the UK, tens of thousands unable to access dental care, bus services collapsing and the numbers in need of social/council housing at record highs. Throw in some populist ‘anti woke’ measures and a… Read more »

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Felicity
Felicity
20 days ago

If its the case that people vote on the grounds of emotion rather than intellectual argument, then its time we found another great Welsh orator that Wales is renowned for. Someone who can shake us out of our political apathy and proudly proclaim a radical leftwing agenda that can lift the spirits and get us to the voting booth.

Godfrey
Godfrey
11 days ago
Reply to  Felicity

Michael Sheen ?

Susan
Susan
20 days ago

The raise of UKIP was a lesson for the political class which they totally failed to learn from which is why we have the raise of Reform. The turn out for the last Senedd election was a mere 45%, the main stream parties have failed to make themselves relevant to the people of Wales, Reform have done in a year what they couldn’t do in 25 years. Will they learn the lesson before it’s to late, I’m betting not.

Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
19 days ago
Reply to  Susan

Also UKIP haven’t gone away, there’s been an upward surge in Membership under their current leader Nick Tenconi.

John
John
20 days ago

I would suggest that polls this far away from a GE (even Senedd election) aren’t that meaningful. People forget but most post-war governments often struggle in the polls in between elections, with exception to Blair. Some might point to time the SDP/Liberals being on >50% with a 25+ point lead over labour and the tories! So I would take this with a pinch of salt. But ironically, this obsession with polls keeps Reform in the news – afterall, and as pointed out, policies are thin on the ground. But I do agree – Reform are a serious party because people… Read more »

Llyn
Llyn
20 days ago

Martin Shipton is right Plaid must raise its game massively on social media. Beyond that, amongst other things, Plaid must focus on bread and butter issues – not as Adam Price appears to do, obsess with things like giving puberty blockers for under 18s.

For potential Green voters in 2026 they need to decide if they want to waste their vote on the Green Party (who will at best get 1 seat) and help Reform or vote Plaid or Labour and help prevent a far-right English nationalist, climate change denying government in Wales.

TheWoodForTheTrees
TheWoodForTheTrees
20 days ago

Farage keeps it simple and gives people someone to blame their woes on. The reasons might be sensationalised and a ficticious account of reality, but he doesn’t let that get in the way of a soundbite. He keeps it simple and black and white and lazy thinkers like that. They can jump on a bandwagon without engaging their brains at all. Perfect! He’s aligned himself with Trump and Musk who’ve provided the same thing for Americans who are not into too much thinking. Now they’re being seen as tough guy action men promoting selfishness and knee jerk instant reactions. Their… Read more »

Godfrey
Godfrey
11 days ago

“Lazy thinkers” sounds snobby.

You should think of them as people who have suffered from living in an impoverished country. In an area that generated masses of wealth yet saw nothing reinvested. Lazy thinkers whose grandparents and great grandparents were likely involved in social activism of some description.

It wasn’t always this way.

Bill
Bill
20 days ago

We’ll always wonder how VG would’ve responded to this. In other forums his initial approach while unpopular with the chattering classes seemed to be resonating well with vocal Reformers. Removing him for following the rules, only to replace him with an establishment candidate and convicted rule breaker, may have been the gift to Reform they needed.

Llyn
Llyn
20 days ago
Reply to  Bill

“Rule breaker”? If you mean speeding. I think that might actually go down well with many Reform voters

Bill
Bill
20 days ago
Reply to  Llyn

That’s not the point. Someone who wasn’t the establishment and played by the rules still lost out to someone who was the establishment and hadn’t followed the rules. The double standards of the ruling elite is exactly what Reform are targeting.

Jeff
Jeff
20 days ago
Reply to  Bill

Really? The speeding conviction? farage has a convicted abuser as an MP. farage also fully supports a convicted felon (32 counts) and abuser of women (trumps own words and conviction) and had he not got the top slot, would be looking at jail for selling state secrets, farage counts him as a friend (farage says this in his declaration of interests). He is also willing to take money from foreign hostile agent that nazi salutes for giggles and runs a platform dedicated to hate and abuse of minorities, ethnicity and women. farage also uses tate as a source of info… Read more »

Undecided
Undecided
20 days ago

It’s more a question of Plaid having the disadvantage of being around for a long time (and spent a good deal of it propping up Labour). Not sure what real “experience” is referred to either – apart from comfy opposition.

Mike Edwards
Mike Edwards
18 days ago

The Labour Party both in Wales and now in England has swung so far to the left they are calling the centre ground far right. There is inevitably a kick back which will swing the pendulum back to the centre. Labour has proved it cannot be trusted with OUR money and people quite rightly have had enough of them making us all poorer. They are hell bent on pushing a failed ideology and expect all the working people to finance their incompetence. And at the last election I voted for Corbyn. But definitely didn’t vote for Starmer who will make… Read more »

A Evans
A Evans
16 days ago

After decades of Welsh Labour taking for granted Welsh voters they have consistently stepped over the mark. They are doomed & when 25% of Labour MSs decline to put their names forward in the coming election, even they know it. But, just like the pocket fillers they have been for ever they cut & run@ Tesign & pick up one last golden handshakes is their moto!

Marisol Jones
Marisol Jones
11 days ago

How thoroughly depressingly telling about people’s inhumanity that “abolishing trans stuff” is seen as “a job well done.
These are real people with real feelings and hopes.
Remember when people claimed they were good people? Remember when we cared about each other?

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