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Senedd sketch: On the buses – First Minister’s Questions go round and round

14 Feb 2023 5 minute read
Adam Price speaking in the Senedd

Siân Williams

On the day Welsh Government said it was putting the brakes on carbon emissions by scrapping or changing road building schemes, opposition parties in the Senedd were up in arms about cuts to bus services.

Taking First Minister’s Questions (FMQs) on behalf of Mark Drakeford today (14 February), was Lesley Griffiths, Trefnydd and Minister for Rural Affairs and North Wales.

Plaid Cymru Leader Adam Price was the first to raise concerns.

“Today, the Government with its publication of the Roads Review, will be heralding its commitment to an historic shift in policy and priority from roads to public transport.

“So, why is it that you announced late on Friday, that you were merely delaying a catastrophic cut in support for bus services from the end of March to the end of June, that will decimate the only form of public transport (some) have?” he asked.

The answer was a simple one, said Lesley Griffiths, replying that, “We haven’t seen the return to bus use that we had seen pre pandemic.”

She wasn’t sure whether it was down 25% or 30% but you get the drift.

“A lot of it is about funding” continued Ms Griffiths, “you can’t spend what you haven’t got, but most people would welcome that extension of funding (until June).

“We really need to have a fresh look at our bus network, we are in a very difficult position with our budget – as you know. We haven’t been able to confirm the bus industry funding package for the next financial year as yest … we will provide further updates as we go through this month.”


Mr Price came back for more, adopting that chapel elder tone of his when the congregation doesn’t quite get it.

He said, banging his pulpit with his right (and maybe righteous) fist with warnings that “decimating” the bus network will have consequences.

According to Mr Price, cuts to bus services, “Will disproportionately disadvantage women (bang), children and young people (bang), the elderly (bang), the disabled (bang), workers on low incomes and rural and valleys communities (bang bang).”

He continued: “Cutting subsidy to bus transport in the middle of a cost of living crisis is among the most regressive acts you have ever proposed!”

But he had a solution.

“So, will you meet, as a government, with a delegation of my Plaid Cymru colleagues …

“To reverse your decision and extend the bus emergency scheme for 12 months … while we design a better, fairer and greener transport network?”

Ms Griffiths said Welsh Government is looking at “un-privatising, if that’s the correct word?”

No, it isn’t.

She continued, “We’ve got the Bus Bill which is probably the most far-reaching plan across the UK …

“It’s very, very easy for members of the opposition to spend non- existent funding.

“As part of the cooperation agreement (between Welsh Government and Plaid Cymru) you know just how difficult our budget is,” she reminded Mr Price.

And another bus coasted past my window with only one or two passengers on board.

Round and round

The wheels on the bus continued to go round and round with a question from Welsh Tory MS for Aberconwy, Janet Finch-Saunders.

She was eager to remind Welsh Government of a past promises, and said:

“In the Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru co-operation agreement you made a clear promise to ask Transport for Wales to work with local authorities in north west Wales, and Welsh Government, to develop plans for an integrated transport system.”

This had not happened, claimed Ms Finch-Saunders on the long and winding road to her eventual question.

Ms Griffith was flicking through a document as Ms Finch-Saunders took the T19 from Llandudno through the Conwy Valley and all the way to Blaenau Ffestiniog in Gwynedd.

She told the Senedd that over 700 people had signed a petition in an attempt to keep the T19 route going.

“I’ve met with all the bus operators …” continued Ms Finch-Saunders.

“So severe is the situation now is that students and pupils have to rely on private transport to get from the Blaenau Ffestiniog area to a school in Llanrwst and to college in Llandrillo.

“Staff cannot get to work and a solution should have been put in place before this service ended …”

Ms Finch-Saunders was at last coming to the end of her journey and said:

“What urgent steps will you take … to address the serious problems caused by the termination of the T19?”

Ms Griffiths answered: “As the T19 service was operated commercially by the bus company, they have told us that passenger growth has not matched their expectations.

“Driver shortages have impacted on their ability to continue to operate the weekday and the Saturday service on a purely commercial basis.

“This is what happens when you have privatisation.”

The Tories proceeded to heckle.


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Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
1 year ago

Insane decision by the Welsh lab govt to cut support for bus services. If they are serious about reducing carbon emissions in Wales cutting funding for bus services will achieve the opposite. The absence of bus services that will result from this decision means people will have no alternative but to use cars more and our carbon emissions in Wales will rise

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 year ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

This lot are a bit like those in London, what did Dyfrig say ?

‘Chaotic, Arbitrary and Ad-Hoc’

Johnny Gamble
Johnny Gamble
1 year ago
Reply to  Leigh Richards

One Bus will emitt more carbon emissions than many motor cars, furthermore there is no climate change.

Meirion Rees
Meirion Rees
1 year ago

If they wish to minimise road developments in Cymru Gogledd then they must invest appropriately in a North Wales Metro as soon as!

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 year ago
Reply to  Meirion Rees

There really is a North Wales Metro, at least the idea exists, I thought it was a joke reference to a zip-wire. What happens when the tunnel roof caves in again, a coach and six over the bwlch…

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 year ago
Reply to  Mab Meirion

Montgolfier Brothers offer mini balloon busses as the answer to all your transport needs, channel crossings and bus replacement services a speciality. We rise above small boats and charabancs to get you there, sometime…

North American services temporarily suspended…

Last edited 1 year ago by Mab Meirion
Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
1 year ago

Taking an immediate reaction to anything is usually the worst one possible. It would be nice to have integrated bus services which seamlessly linked up the whole of Wales but who would use them? We are seeing more working from home, more early voluntary retirement, fewer centralised places of work and more flexibility of working hours. As the usage falls due to these combinations so does the economic and ecological justification for their existence. The last bus I rode had 3 passengers from Hay to Brecon which could all have ridden in my little car. The killer stat is that… Read more »

Ernie The Smallholder
Ernie The Smallholder
1 year ago

We can be proud that Wales has Plaid Cymru and leader Adam Price in the Senedd speaking for the people in Wales that use or want to use public transport. We have a climate emergency and the Welsh government is being forced to cut bus services because of budget restraints. It is not that we pay too little tax but the fact that the UK government (still) collects our taxes and wastes our money on vanity projects outside Wales such as more road building (mainly in SE England) which there will never be enough with around 48 million cars in… Read more »

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