Should the wealthy pay more tax?
Mike Hedges – MS for Swansea East
There are two views on taxation, the progressive view is that taxation is the price we pay for public services and that wealthier people should pay more. The second is the Conservative view point that tax is a burden and the tax should be reduced, and that lots of means of reducing tax payable should be in the system.
Taxing wealth is difficult and if the intention is to tax wealth, then it is important that opportunities to reduce the tax payable should be reduced.
I intend to address four areas of tax that are paid mainly by wealthy people, which are capital gains tax, savings, dividend income, property, and land values.
We know that the proportion of tax received from income, business and profits have declined whilst the proportion from indirect taxes such as VAT have risen over recent years.
Capital gains tax
Capital gains tax is broadly a tax on the difference between an assets value when purchased and sold, excluding principal residency. With a 20% marginal top rate the UKs capital gains tax is relatively low compared to western European countries such as Germany with a 26% rate and France with a 30% rate.
Rates have significantly fluctuated over time with the Conservative Government in the 1980s aligning capital gains tax rates with income tax rate. The Labour Government between 1997 and 2010 decoupled them in order to stimulate growth but there is no evidence that this change has produced a higher level of corporate investment in the long term. I recommend that capital gains are realigned with income tax.
Dividend income
Another method of payment favoured by many self-employed people is to be paid via dividends rather than taxable income and to pay tax on those dividends. No tax is paid on any dividend income that falls within the personal dividend allowance each year.
Tax is paid only on dividend income above the dividend allowance. Dividend taxation is substantially less than income tax with a rate of 8.75% on earnings from £12,571 to £50,270, 33.75% on earnings between £50,271 and £125410 with an additional rate of 39.35% paid on earnings over £125410.
The other method of minimizing tax is to receive no or very little dividend income but to borrow from the company. If this is done a maximum of a ten-year loan with payments made each year and interest charged on the loan at bank of England base rate rule needs to be brought in.
I can see no logic for tax on dividends being different to income tax and tax, they should be treated as income and taxed at the appropriate income tax rate. If a loan is not paid back, it should be treated as income and taxed accordingly.
Property values
The best indicator of personal wealth, and a major part of many people’s wealth is the value of their principal dwelling.
Council tax is based upon the value of property. It replaced the much-disliked poll tax which replaced the rates system based upon the rateable value of a property which is still used to tax businesses. council Tax bands Value was set on 1 April 2003 so the value of all properties will have increased substantially since then in absolute terms but also there will have been relative change.
Band A is for properties up to £44,000. Band D is for properties between £91,001 to £123,00. Band H is for properties between £324,001 to £424,000.
Council tax is set on band D and all other council tax band charges are based on that. Properties in Band A pay 75% of the amount charged on band D, properties in Band H pay 18/9, or twice the amount charged on band D.
A £40,000 house will be charged two thirds of the amount of council tax paid for a £120,000 house despite being a third of the value.
A £420,000 house will be charged twice as much in council tax as a £120,000 house despite being over four times the value.
This is unfair because the payment is not proportional to the value of the property.
My recommendation is that all houses are revalued, and that Council tax is a fixed percentage of the value of the property. If we continue using bands an additional lower band, narrower bands several upper bands are needed.
Vacant land tax
Firstly, this is not a tax on gardens, sports field, or school grounds but on tracts of vacant land capable for allowing building to take place. The Welsh Government is committed to a vacant land tax, but it cannot introduce the tax until the UK Government agrees to devolve the necessary powers.
The Welsh Government says that discussions with the UK Government to devolve competence for a vacant land tax have reached an impasse. All we can is to await developments.
Savings
There is no logic for allowing those with substantial savings to protect them against tax using an ISA for £20,000 a year. With no tax on Interest on cash in an ISA, or income or capital gains from investments in an ISA. A tax does not need to include any ISA interest, income, or capital gains on it. Help to buy Isas have already been discontinued for anyone who wants to join.
Whilst savings currently in ISAs should continue to be tax free and be able to be rolled on, there is no reason to allow new ISAs to be purchased.
Proposed actions
Capital gains are realigned with income tax.
Dividends should be treated as income and taxed at the appropriate income tax rate.
If a loan is taken instead of dividends, it is not paid back it should be treated as income and taxed accordingly.
For council tax all houses are revalued, and that council tax is a fixed percentage of the value of the property. If we continue using bands an additional lower band, narrower bands and several upper bands are needed.
Vacant land tax should be actively promoted, and further effort made to get Westminster government permission.
Savings currently in ISAs should continue tax free and should be able to be rolled on, there is no reason to allow new ISAs to be purchased.
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Most of the wealthy are business people and are therefore in control of prices. Taxing them more would probably result in prices increasing so the working classes, pensioners and the poor would end up paying their taxes. We can’t bloody win!! The buck stops with us every time.
Unless you think there’s a cartel the free market should stop this. If one business passes on the extra tax they risk losing market share to one that doesn’t.
But the ‘market’ is rigged is most instances. Theres no such thing as a free market
It depends whether we’re discussing supermarkets or water.
I would suggest the government gets all landlords of student accommodation to pay council tax.
Cardiff is awash with students and none of them or their landlords pay council tax. Seems grossly unfair when struggling families on low incomes have to pay up or face a custodial sentence.
Landlords would pass on the extra cost to the students. It’s a no-win situation. The working class is unable to pass on any extra costs but business people can…. and they do, no doubt!!
That landlords may pass on extra council tax costs to students is no reason not to charge them. Cardiff needs funds and students and their landlords use council services as much as anyone else. They should pay up
While looking at rates may seem to be an obvious place to start it really is not. Start by closing loopholes, eg entrepreneurs relief with Capital Gains, Trusts, movement of capital offshore.
The system for the rich is currently Pay What You Like, the richer you are the more you can play the system.
Or maybe even pay if you like
Very poorly written article sorry Mike….you seem unaware of how small business finances work. Self-employed people DO NOT receive dividends, and therefore do not pay dividend tax. Also , a director of a small company (for example a one man band) would have already suffered Corporation Tax of 19% on their profits, before they are able to pay a dividend, you seem to be unaware of this?! So your comparison with income tax is totally wrong. Your interpretation of “Director Loans” is also totally wrong….if the loan is not paid back within 9 months of the year end, then the… Read more »
Unfortunately company directors do get dividend income and if it was not advantageous in terms of tax ahead of wages why get it. there are so many ways of avoiding corporation tax that it effectively a voluntary contribution. look at what google and and amazon pay. you do not understand how tax liabilities are minimised
Shareholders get dividend income, Directors do not automatically unless they are also shareholders. You said that Self Employed people get dividends. Self Employed people, categorically, DO NOT get Dividends. It’s laughable to say that Corp Tax is a voluntary tax. The big Multis get away with murder, yes, I’m not disputing that…..but the VAST majority of people who receive Dividends from their own personal company, are SME’s or Micro business…..it is most definitely NOT voluntary for them, and the vast majority of them will earn FAR, FAR less than yourself. I do understand Taxation…..I am a Tax Adviser & Accountant… Read more »
a simple nternet search shows that If you’re self-employed and own your limited company, you can take money out of your company as a dividend, or you may receive a dividend payment if you own company shares.
Sorry Mike, but this post is completly nonsensical!! You don’t seem to have a grasp of the difference between being Self Employed & owning a Limited Company. They are two completely different things and are taxed in totally different ways. You are either Self Employed….or you are a Director and/or shareholder in a limited company. A Self Employed person does not own shares & does not therefore receive dividends.
ere are some ways to reduce your corporation tax12:
or if your are a multinational pay intellectual property payments and management costs to an off shore tax haven
Yet again, this post makes you look ridiculous…..you do not have a grasp of business fundamentals, nevermind business taxation. A business (Self Emp AND Limited Companies) pay tax on their PROFITS…not their turnover. Most of what you list above are business expenses.
This is a discussion between some who is qualified and has studied Business & Taxation for years, versus someone who (by your own admission) has done a “simple internet search”.
By now you should have been invited to take M.H’s place at Y Senedd until he completes a reeducation programme in basic business Finance and Taxation. Maybe we should also be allowed to scrutinise his end of course test paper to make sure his score is high enough to validate his treatment as a competent authority.
I have a post graduate diploma in Management science what is your qualification
I outlined my qualification below. What is yours. returning to the main point of the article do you agree or disagree with Capital gains tax and Dividend income being taxed at the same rate as income tax. I did a simple internet search to point out your errors. I am sure your competitors will do likewise to your current customers
Hi Mike….I am a Chartered Accountant….I am a member of the ICAEW (Institute of Chartered Accountants in England & Wales) and have been for around the last 30 years. I have worked as an Internal & External Auditor in Practice, a Financial Accountant & Management Accountant in Industry and have run a successful firm of Chartered Accountants for the last 15 years. You did not point out my errors at all. You simply reinforced your lack of knowledge about Business & Taxation. You seem to have no comprehension of how Dividends for small companies work and how they are taxed,… Read more »
Same question do you agree with the main points. Do you not advise sole traders to be paid out of dividends as opposed to having a wage. A lot of your colleagues do
Mike….As I have pointed out multiple times….Sole Traders CANNOT be paid Dividends. It’s that simple, it really is. Dividends are paid to Shareholders of a limited company. Sole traders, by their very nature ARE NOT Limited Companies. Sole Traders pay Income tax & NI, similar to Employees…..Companies pay Corporation Tax and Shareholders pay Dividend Tax. This really is basic stuff Mike!
Do you agree all income should be taxed at the same rate. Good luck with your company
Is this question a spoof? Of course the wealthy shoud pay more tax. The idea that they shouldn’t is yet another import of self-serving right wing mania from USA Think Tanks. And while we’re at it-replace Council Tax with a local income tax.
The wealthy already do pay more tax – considerably more. The top 1% of earners pay 30% of all income tax receipts. The lowest 50% of earners contribute less than 10% of all income tax receipts. How do you define ‘wealthy’?
Your proposals remove any incentive to save or invest. I suppose one might argue that this would lead to more spending and therefore higher VAT receipts as well as higher corporation tax receipts but it would also result in a vast increase in the number of elderly becoming entirely dependent on the state. Is that something with which you are comfortable?