Is an independent Wales economically viable?

Jibreel Meddah
For as long as Welsh independence has been a serious political proposition, it has come attached to a number. Sometimes that number is £14 billion.
Sometimes it’s £21 billion. Sometimes, if you’re talking to the right economist, it drops all the way down to £2.6 billion.
Depending on who does the counting, Wales is either sitting on a fiscal black hole that makes independence a fantasy, or nursing a deficit no worse than most small European countries run every year without anyone questioning their right to exist.
Three months into the first Plaid Cymru government in Welsh history, that argument still hasn’t been settled. And First Minister Rhun ap Iorwerth, tellingly, doesn’t seem to be in any rush to settle it.
Sworn in on 12 May as the first person from a party other than Welsh Labour to run Wales, he has ruled out an independence referendum for the whole of this Senedd term. His “number one priority,” he told the BBC’s Walescast, is health, education and the economy, not the constitutional question that built his party.
That is either a sign of political discipline or a quiet admission that the sums still don’t add up cleanly enough to incite the debate. I went looking for the numbers behind both arguments. What I found is a debate where almost nothing is agreed: not the size of the deficit, not the method for calculating it, and not even whether the concept of a “Welsh deficit” means very much at all.
The numbers
Start with the figure that unionist politicians reach for first. According to Government Expenditure and Revenue Wales (GERW), a series of reports from Cardiff University’s Wales Governance Centre built using the same approach as Scotland’s official GERS statistics, Wales ran a fiscal deficit of £14.4 billion in 2019–20. That’s 18.4% of estimated GDP, or £4,560 for every person in Wales, a per-capita gap beaten only by Northern Ireland.
More recent UK government figures, using 2022–23 data, put it even higher: over £21.5 billion, or £6,888 per head.
That analysis measures Wales’s fiscal position as it currently sits inside the UK system; it isn’t a projection of what an independent Wales’s budget would look like.
During a Commons debate on Welsh devolution, former Conservative MP Rob Roberts – then sitting as an Independent – argued independence was “a fiscal impossibility,” claiming Wales would start “£125 billion in the red” and need an extra £18 billion annually “just to stand still.”
Ahead of the Caerphilly by-election, Secretary of State for Wales Jo Stevens claimed Plaid’s plans would cost the average working-age taxpayer more than £11,000 a year in tax rises and cuts.
It’s a brutal number. However, according to economists who have examined how it was constructed, it is not necessarily a reliable measure of the cost of independence. The figure was quickly contested.
Liz Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru’s Westminster leader, commissioned a House of Commons Library analysis which concluded that Labour’s £21 billion figure “describes Wales’ fiscal position within the current UK system”, not what the country’s finances would look like after independence.
The Library found no data source to support the claim that independence specifically would cost £21 billion a year. The Wales Office maintained its figures were drawn straight from official ONS statistics.

Why the deficit might not be real
Here’s the problem with GERW, according to its critics: very little of the underlying data is actually collected on a Wales-specific basis.
Tax revenue is gathered UK-wide and then apportioned to Wales using estimates and assumptions.
Critics of GERW argue Welsh revenues are understated as a result: corporation tax, in particular, is recorded at a company’s registered head office rather than where its economic activity actually happens, which is why supermarket chains and other UK-wide firms headquartered in London or the South East show up as generating no taxable profit in Wales at all, despite many stores being run there.
On the spending side, defence expenditure is allocated on a rough population basis: Wales is assigned 4.7% of the UK defence budget purely by population share. Therefore, because Welsh GDP per head is lower than the UK average, this works out to roughly 2.6% of Welsh GDP. That’s above NATO’s 2% target and higher than most European NATO members actually spend, on paper, without a single tank stationed in Wales as a result.
Plaid Cymru commissioned its own answer to this in 2022, asking Professor John Doyle of Dublin City University to re-run the numbers using accounting methods that actually reflect how two independent countries would trade with each other, rather than treating Wales as a UK region.
Doyle’s conclusion: a fiscal gap of around £2.6 billion in an independent Wales’s opening years, or 3.4% of GDP, is close to the OECD average, and nowhere near GERW’s 17–18%.
Doyle isn’t simply rerunning GERW’s sums with better data. His model rests on a different set of assumptions from GERW’s: how much of the UK’s national debt an independent Wales would inherit, how defence spending would be set rather than population-allocated, how spending on non-devolved services like overseas representation would be handled, and how corporation tax and VAT should be attributed to where economic activity actually happens rather than where a company’s head office sits.
Change any one of those assumptions and the £2.6 billion moves.
The Welsh Government’s own Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales weighed both sets of figures in 2024 and still concluded independence was “viable,” if the “most uncertain” of the options on the table.
Conservative MPs called that conclusion “hugely concerning.” The competing figures therefore don’t provide a simple answer to what an independent Wales’s finances would look like, and that uncertainty is doing a lot of the political work on both sides.
What ap Iorwerth is actually promising

For his part, ap Iorwerth has mostly stopped fighting the deficit argument on its own terms. In a 2024 lecture hosted by the Wales Governance Centre, he quoted the Centre’s own Professor Laura McAllister, who has argued Wales has become “too comfortable, cozy” politically to challenge itself.
He used the same speech to make a different case entirely: not that Wales could balance its books alone, but that it’s being shortchanged inside the union.
Wales, he said, citing the Welsh Government’s own estimate, has lost out on between £2.9 billion and £8 billion of rail investment since 2001 through Barnett-formula funding, and the Levelling Up and Shared Prosperity Funds left the country more than a billion pounds worse off than the EU funding they replaced.
He’s also been careful to insist his version of independence isn’t about pulling up the drawbridge.
His opponents aren’t buying it. Reform UK Wales leader Dan Thomas has accused Plaid of pursuing independence “by stealth” even while shelving a referendum.
The Welsh Conservatives warn that any drift toward a vote risks “uncertainty, division and real economic harm” at a moment Wales needs stability and investment, not upheaval.
And Welsh Labour, now facing life in opposition for the first time in a generation, has kept pressing ap Iorwerth on how he pays for his own spending pledges, including a flagship childcare expansion costing roughly £400 million a year once fully rolled out, without a clear answer yet on tax.
The Ireland comparison, and its limits
Independence-supporting economists point to history rather than the current numbers to make their case.
Ireland and Singapore, YesCymru’s Michael Murphy has argued, were both “ridiculed at the time of their independence… as being unsustainable,” yet both are now among the richest economies in the world per head.
Independence-supporting economists point to history rather than the current numbers to make their case.
Some go further, arguing devolution itself has held Wales back.
The “Flotilla Effect” study by Adam Price (later Plaid Cymru’s leader) and economist Ben Levinger modelled what Welsh growth might have looked like under independence from 1990 onwards, concluding Wales would have been substantially more productive than it actually became.
It’s a counterfactual built on a specific population-based growth model, not a consensus estimate, and other economists dispute both its assumptions and its size.
This comparison has limits, however, as Ireland had EU membership and a low corporation tax regime to build around; Singapore had entrepôt trade and city-state status.
Wales would need its own equivalent lever, and no such lever has yet emerged as a consensus answer among independence-supporting economists.
The Economics Observatory puts the structural problem more bluntly than most: unlike Scotland, Wales has no single high-value sector (no oil, no financial-services hub) capable of transforming its position quickly.
And unlike Northern Ireland, it has no obvious alternative economic “home” to plug into if it left the UK.
The three questions
Strip away the politics and the gap between £2.6 billion and £21.5 billion comes down to three questions any two economists can answer differently: what counts as Welsh revenue when a company’s tax is booked at a London head office; what counts as Welsh spending when defence and debt interest are allocated by population rather than actual use; and whether the baseline should be Wales as a UK region today, or Wales as a hypothetical independent state making its own tax and borrowing choices from day one.
GERW and the UK government’s 2022–23 analysis both answer those questions the first way. Doyle answers them the second way. They’re measuring different things, based on different assumptions, while producing figures that are often presented as if they answer the same question.
Where that leaves it
None of this gets resolved while there’s no referendum on the table, and that may be exactly the point. Deferring the vote lets ap Iorwerth campaign on the record of a government he now actually runs, rather than defend projections for a country that doesn’t yet exist.
It’s a strategy that keeps the constitutional debate off the front line while ap Iorwerth builds a governing record.
It also means the two headline numbers that have defined this argument for a decade (a deficit that might be £2.6 billion, or might be £21.5 billion, depending entirely on whose model you trust) will keep getting thrown at each other largely untested, because there’s no live campaign forcing either side to prove its working in public.
Ask the average voter in Wales whether independence is affordable, and the honest answer right now isn’t yes or no. It’s: nobody has built a version of Wales’s public finances solid enough for both sides to agree on, and until someone does, or until a referendum forces the question, that isn’t likely to change.
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Excellent, cool analysis. That’s the sort of level headed examination of the facts & figures we need. However, I see at least two glaring omissions or exclusions. One of Doyle’s arguments was around the huge pension payments that would not be paid immediately by an arising Welsh nation as they have recieved none of the premiums. So all pensions except brand new ones starting on day one would be payable by Westminster. Continuing for ever for those English who emigrate here? It would also include the vast care & health costs o& that section of our society. Not a small… Read more »
Yes – he assumed England would be responsible for paying pensions of anyone living in wales, even though this clearly won’t be the case. Also assumed wales wouldn’t receive any national debt, have any foreign embassies or overseas spending, defence and would receive pro ratio corporation tax and a whole host of other things. Also didn’t consider that major employers such as tata, qioptiq, Toyota, boccard (for those in north wales) would stay put. In fairness to him, even he says in his paper (if anyone read it) was this was a starting point and the rest is negotiable –… Read more »
I assume a proportion of the UK debt will be have to be absorbed by an independent Wales
Well, the Vienna convention says no! It’s says nations rising from colonialism do not owe any of their colonisers debt. You also should not we are entitled to 4.5% of the entire assets of the Westminster government. Truth is, it will be a torrid negotiation process?
I think you’re confusing with the UN charter or resolutions. The Vienna convention doesn’t determine or identify colonies. But stop with this nonsense – there is no way that Wales is legally or otherwise going to be defined as a colony!
The UN doesn’t recognise Wales as meeting the criteria for a colony so that wouldn’t apply. There are 17 territories it considers as such and Wales isn’t in that list.
Ironically the Falklands is and they want to stay as they are.
The only rational answer to the debt question is to assess each one separately. If we were still paying off the Americans for WW2 a population share of that would reasonably apply. But no-one could argue that an independent Wales should keep paying for 5% of the Elizabeth Line.
No mention of water and electricity crossing Offa’s Dyke for a pittance.
If England had had to pay for the coal, gold, water, slate, copper etc. it ‘aquired’ from Cymru we would almost certainly be the richest country in the UK.
If the headline asks a question, the answer is usually no. This article doesn’t buck that trend.
Frankly, Wales needs more powers before it can make any kind of assessment on this. Powers that I believe Plaid Cymru is seeking and will eventually gain over time.
People frequently lean on Wales natural resources like Energy or the Crown Estate but the reality is that the UK holds many of the levers and never mind economic security… what about Physical security?
If England had to pay for the water it currently gets for free Wales would be rich.
It’s a superficially obvious solution but It doesn’t stand up; people don’t like being told it but it’s true. It hasn’t worked for Lesotho which supplies South Africa. Water isn’t a high value product in itself, despite how important it is. The price you pay for water is dictated by costs like pumping and treatment. Most of England is not supplied by reservoirs in Wales; Birmingham, Hereford and Liverpool being the ones that are (plus some border areas on the shared catchment) Seeing as the Severn, Wye and Dee flow into England, that water would go into England ‘for free’… Read more »
If England had had to pay for the coal, slate, gold, water, copper etc it stole from Cymru we would probably be the richest country in the UK today.
Maybe we should also be asking the question: is remaining part of the UK economically viable? The UK is one of the most over-centralised advanced economies, creating a structural imbalance in favour of London and South East England. The Treasury still controls many of the major economic levers affecting Wales, restricting the Welsh Government’s ability to shape its own economic and infrastructure policy. Yet Wales is then criticised for having a weak economy and being too dependent on fiscal transfers. There’s a chicken-and-egg problem here: how do you fundamentally restructure the Welsh economy without control over many of the tools… Read more »
As an independent country, Wales would cut its cloth accordingly. There are far smaller nations than ours happily surviving. Never believe those who say we are too poor to become a standalone nation, because I would ask them this simple question: “You say we are too small and too impoverished to be an independent country. If that is true, why then do you wish to keep Wales in a political union that makes us so poor we could not survive on our own?” Think about it.
The latest ONS regional-finance data for 2024–25 put revenue raised in Wales at about £13,019 per person and total expenditure attributed to Wales at £20,168 per person. Using the population underlying the Treasury’s regional analysis, that corresponds approximately to £41.5bn revenue, £64.3bn expenditure and a £22.8bn fiscal deficit. ONS stresses that these figures allocate UK spending according to who benefits and are not an estimate of the finances of an independent Welsh state.
I would be absolutely over the moon if Cymru was independent and competent enough to run its own affairs. Sadly, we have not got the calibre of person needed to do the job. Currently, I don’t think they could successfully organise a Sunday School bus trip to Barry Island.
Wait until you see the calibre of folk in westminister
If they are not the calibre then vote them out.
So just me not voting for them will get them out. Speak sense man.
That’s not my point. Every democracy occasionally elects poor politicians. The answer is not to conclude the country is incapable of governing itself, it is to replace them at the next election. Nobody argues the UK should not be sovereign because Westminster elects poor governments.
More powers attracts better candidates. Or at least more ambitious ones who were previously trying to climb the greasy pole in Westminster.
We could ask the Welsh government, but they are on holiday.
Start charging for our Water and Energy would be a good beginning.
The key point for me is that whatever figures you care to believe, independence would almost certainly result in big cuts to public services in the short to medium term – and Plaid know it. They also know that a lot of people who voted for them in May, don’t support independence. Those that do are still in a clear minority, so no referendum.