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Gender critical groups urge rejection of Senedd candidates Bill

15 Jul 2024 5 minute read
Cathy Larkman

Martin Shipton

Two gender critical women’s groups have urged MSs to reject a Bill they say would allow anyone to identify as a woman when standing for election to the Senedd.

A plenary debate will take place on Tuesday July 16 on the general principles of the Electoral Candidate Lists Bill, which is aimed at achieving a gender-balanced Senedd.

However, doubts have been expressed about whether the Senedd has the legal power to pass such legislation, given that equality is not a devolved policy area.

Cathy Larkman of Women’s Rights Network Wales has sent a letter to all MSs outlining her organisation’s concerns.

‘Unlawful discrimination’

She states: “We consider the Bill to be in breach of the Equality Act 2010 because it does not demonstrate how it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. This would leave the Welsh Government open to the challenge of unlawful discrimination.

“It is unclear if the definition of ‘woman’ as used in the Bill has the same definition as the Equality Act 2010 (ie. a female of any age). If it does not, then it will not comply with UK wide equality legislation (a reserved matter) and is beyond the legislative competence of the Welsh Government.

“The lack of definitions within the Bill has been referred to several times in the evidence given at Stage 1, including in questions to the Minister proposing the Bill. There has been a consistent failure to clarify terms which critically damages the stated intentions of the Bill and renders the question of legislative competence inevitable.

“We also note that an earlier, leaked draft of this Bill made it very clear that the definition of ‘woman’ was being extended beyond that of the Equality Act. We wish to remind Senedd members that self identification is not the law in the UK and that ambiguity in definitions within the Bill as published does not overcome the inevitably of this being exploited by those making a ‘gender statement’ that does not concur with their sex.

“We note that the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), an organisation whose expertise should have been considered essential for input and advice regarding the drafting and proposing of this Bill, do not appear to have been utilised effectively, and have also voiced their own concerns

“It is clear from the consultation responses, including from those legally qualified in such matters, that we are not alone in our views regarding the lack of legislative competence for this Bill, and our concern regarding lack of definitions.

“Notably, the Reform Bill Committee share these concerns too, hence their recommendation for a Supreme Court review prior to this Bill being made law. It is our view that it would be better (and less financially prohibitive) for this deeply flawed Bill to be shelved. Members should also consider the legitimacy of Senedd elections, as well as the reputational damage for devolution and the legitimacy of the Welsh Government.

“Whilst we are pleased to note that recommendation 9 would extend the corrupt practice offence to false statements in nomination or other papers, this is not sufficiently robust to prevent the falsification of a ‘gender statement’. Without a clear definition of’ ‘woman’ within this Bill, it is not possible to know what would actually constitute falsification and it would be difficult, if not impossible, to establish that any such false statement has been made. This proposed safeguard therefore becomes meaningless in practice.

“As we and others have pointed out previously, the Equality Impact Assessment (EIA) that accompanied the Bill at stage 1 is insufficient and badly flawed. This cannot be overcome at subsequent stages of the Bill. We therefore consider that a thorough and competent EIA needs to be undertaken before this Bill progresses, in order to better inform the extent to which it will achieve its stated objectives.

“Women’s Rights Network wants to see a more equal society that ensures equal opportunities for women by removing barriers. However, this Bill attempts to enforce an equality of outcome that runs counter to the provisions of the Equality Act 2010, and potentially unlawfully tinkers with the definition of ‘woman’. For that reason, we cannot support it. We invite Senedd members to consider this to be a critically flawed Bill and to reject it.”

‘Blunt instrument’

In a similar statement, the group Merched Cymru said: “The Bill is a blunt instrument that does nothing to address the underlying systemic barriers leading to women’s under-representation ion politics.

“The failure of the Bill to define the key terms ‘woman’ and ‘gender’ or to refer to the correct protected characteristic of ‘sex’ would effectively introduce a form of self-ID toWales. This is undemocratic and would breach the Equality Act 2010.

“The Bill is not within the legislative competence of the Senedd and will inevitably be subject to a costly, reputationally damaging legal challenge.”

Supporters of trans rights believe that passing the Bill would represent a significant step forward in their campaign for true equality.


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Adrian
Adrian
3 months ago

A man cannot become a woman, nor vice versa. Anyone who claims otherwise is either breathtakingly stupid, delusional, a mix of the two or, as is the case with most politicians a manipulative, gaslighting liar.

Gareth Westacott
Gareth Westacott
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

Absolutely … well said!

Llyn
Llyn
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

So in your opinion, for example a man, who has gone through all medical and surgical procedures regarding a sex change in your opinion should be prevented from legally calling themselves a woman and the law with this regard should regress and the UK should have a more extreme law than Pakistan?

Gareth Westacott
Gareth Westacott
3 months ago
Reply to  Llyn

Yes, because cutting off your private parts doesn’t make you a woman, and neither does wearing lipstick and a dress.

Last edited 3 months ago by Gareth Westacott
Alun
Alun
3 months ago

Very well put.

Susan
Susan
3 months ago
Reply to  Llyn

Yes. I can’t speak for Adrian though.

Adrian
Adrian
3 months ago
Reply to  Susan

You do as it happens.
If you accept today that Bob the builder in a dress is a woman, then you cannot complain when, tomorrow, he wants to step into the showers at the local leisure centre next to your daughter.

Susan
Susan
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

I agree, that’s why the woman’s rights activist organisation are fighting for clarification on what a women is, it’s needed in order to protect women’s dignity, privacy and safety. 

Jambo
Jambo
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

DOGWHISTLE!

Orchiduke
Orchiduke
3 months ago
Reply to  Jambo

Thought-terminating cliché.

Adrian
Adrian
3 months ago
Reply to  Llyn

Yep – you got it!
A fiction is a fiction: legal or not.

….and the reason so-called ‘transitioning’ is prevalent in Muslim countries is because you can be executed for being gay.

Last edited 3 months ago by Adrian
Jambo
Jambo
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

THIS. HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. TRANS. PEOPLE.

Steffan ap Huw
Steffan ap Huw
3 months ago
Reply to  Jambo

Ummm, what? I’m pretty sure you’re in a minority of one in taking that view. Care to enlighten us how gender issues have nothing to do with trans people?

Gareth Westacott
Gareth Westacott
3 months ago

Good for them! …. at last some common sense.

Why vote
Why vote
3 months ago

Why us the senedd wasting time and money even talking about a non devolved subject don’t they know what their limitations are

Ash P
Ash P
3 months ago
Reply to  Why vote

The Senedd wasting time and money!? No, I refuse to believe it.

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards
3 months ago

Classic case of why we, the Welsh voters, should meet in a Convention to devise our own Constitution (+Bill of Rights). We say how Wales is run. Like all true democracies in the West. Supposedly civilised and liberal though but being shaken to their foundations

Jambo
Jambo
3 months ago

You would never get Welsh people to agree on the wording! The Welsh Conservatives will want the opposite to what everyone else wants, and will then poison the minds of small-minded and easily-swayed people on social media and we will end up with another campaign of Tory misinformation!

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards
3 months ago
Reply to  Jambo

Would be a great Welsh discussion, though! The non-left vote is very large and not well represented by the Welsh Conservatives, because their party is in a mess. Yes, its all about what happens to the centre-right vote.

Steffan ap Huw
Steffan ap Huw
3 months ago

Why is that? Are we Welsh somehow more enlightened than the rest of Britain? What guarantee can you give that our own decisions would be better than those made in Westminster? Surely, anyone can see that the Senedd is no better, with its own corruptions and pettiness.

And besides, there is no such thing as a true democracy, anywhere. Name one.

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards
3 months ago
Reply to  Steffan ap Huw

Yes, we in Wales are fallible like everyone else. But the route to a better system for Wales has already been invented. Hold a Welsh Convention to devise the system Wales needs. Activate it “in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,” (c) America 1787 and many many more places. Does it for me. So its not yet perfect, far from it. But worth a go. Maybe Wales can devise a better system. Can’t speak… Read more »

CapM
CapM
3 months ago

“A man cannot become a woman, nor vice versa. Anyone who claims otherwise is either breathtakingly stupid, delusional, a mix of the two or, as is the case with most politicians a manipulative, gaslighting liar.” However a man can be mistaken for a woman and vice versa. Because in the majority of cases the person doesn’t look or act out of the ordinary and so blends in with the crowd. Given how many people we encounter if you think you haven’t ever been mistaken then it sort of proves you have been. In the vast majority of circumstances it doesn’t… Read more »

Owain Glyndŵr
Owain Glyndŵr
3 months ago

Once again all the Transphobes come out and another comment thread descends into a pit of ignorance. Debate NEVER happens in these comment threads even on the progressive Nation.Cymru website/app. This needs moderating! These kinds of comments are where the descent into dark places begins. Fascism is on the rise on this island, again, and it is increasingly likely that there will be a group of Farage followers in the Senedd after the next Welsh General Election because no one can or will offer tolerant leadership on these matters. Anyone supporting Fascists or Nazis should be ashamed of themselves. Welsh… Read more »

Steffan ap Huw
Steffan ap Huw
3 months ago
Reply to  Owain Glyndŵr

So, commenters speaking out against trans ideology are fascists and should be silenced? Sounds pretty fascist to me.

You’ve brought out the terms ‘fascist’, and ‘nazi’ to gaslight anyone not wholly on board the trans train. That’s pretty disgusting of you, and an ugly tool to stifle “dissent”. Bloody hypocrite!

Last edited 3 months ago by Steffan ap Huw
Owain Glyndŵr
Owain Glyndŵr
3 months ago
Reply to  Steffan ap Huw

You’ve taken what I’ve said out of context. If you would like me to explain what I mean because you can’t understand it, feel free to ask. As for gaslighting comment, I don’t think you understand what that means.

Another Richard
Another Richard
3 months ago
Reply to  Owain Glyndŵr

It really is not Fascism to point out that people cannot change sex. Anyone who thinks it is has either lost all sense of proportion or has no idea what Fascism is. What one’s forebears did in WWII is irrelevant.

Owain Glyndŵr
Owain Glyndŵr
3 months ago

Are you a Scientist or Psychologist? Do you understand what Intersex people are? Do you have any understanding of of how gender is mental as well as physical? Please do explain these highly complex issues, without simplifying them?

Susan
Susan
3 months ago
Reply to  Owain Glyndŵr

Once again, an unhinged hyper hysterical response to people who are only stating a fact, it is literally impossible for a human to change their sex, it is literally impossible for a human to be born in the wrong body. There can be No Debate TransCentral have decreed it so, don’t go against doctrine or you’ll be ‘othered’.   

Owain Glyndŵr
Owain Glyndŵr
3 months ago
Reply to  Susan

I’m entering into debate. Shall we debate this topic?

Daf
Daf
3 months ago
Reply to  Owain Glyndŵr

There are many, many people on the left of the political spectrum wanting to uphold hard won sex based rights, the legal protections women, and men, now have in terms of law (eg gay marriage – the right to request a carer or nurse of the same sex for intimate care). Throwing the words ‘fascist’ and ‘Nazi’ around in a word-confetti canon is an insult to those who have genuinely suffered under those regimes. Don’t use them as part of your self indulgent fantasy LARP-ing. You are not fighting any fascists.

Rob
Rob
3 months ago

The Bill should be scrapped in its entirety. Gender quotas are a form a reverse discrimination. Candidates should be selected by the ability to do the job, and not on their gender.

Owain Glyndŵr
Owain Glyndŵr
3 months ago
Reply to  Rob

Easy for you to say when men are over represented in most Legislative bodies. Meanwhile, in the UK over half the population is female and yet they have always been under represented. As for your comment about how candidates should be selected by ability, your premise is wrong and has been disproven in a number of studies. The fact is that if a woman is just as qualified as a man she doesn’t tend to be selected. For that matter a woman can be more qualified, and they still aren’t selected! So, how do you change that? Simple you require… Read more »

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