UK Government blame hereditary peers for workers’ rights vote loss in Lords

Business minister Sir Chris Bryant has blamed Conservative hereditary peers for the Government losing a vote on workers’ rights in the Lords on Wednesday.
The Government’s flagship Employment Rights Bill has faced a further hold-up over a late change linked to the Government’s concession on unfair dismissal.
The latest setback means a continuation of so-called “ping-pong”, when legislation is batted between the Commons and Lords until agreement is reached, with the legislation now being sent back to the Commons for the fourth time.
In an attempt to end the stand-off, the Government recently ditched its election pledge to give employees day-one protection against unfair dismissal and instead accepted a six-month qualifying period for the workplace safeguard, demanded by the upper chamber.
However, alongside this it introduced at the 11th hour a measure to scrap the compensation caps for unfair dismissal, which are currently the lower of 52 weeks’ pay or £118,223.
The Labour administration insist this formed part of the compromise agreement reached with business groups and trade unions, although this is disputed.
With the clock ticking down to the Christmas recess, peers backed by 244 votes to 220, majority 24, a Tory call to force a review of the existing compensation limits, which ministers are seeking to remove.
The votes split down party lines, with 202 Conservatives voting for the amendment, while 144 Labour peers and 52 Liberal Democrats voted against, with other parties and crossbenchers making up the rest.
Speaking in the Commons on Thursday, Sir Chris said: “Why did we lose the vote last night? Twenty-five Tory hereditary peers. Why on earth would that be? Why do you think that they might not be willing to support Labour?”
The minister appears to be referring to the Government’s bid to oust all hereditary peers – those who are there by right of birth – from the chamber.
The Government’s House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill is set to remove the right for these bloodline peers to sit and vote in the Lords.
Of the 202 Conservative peers that voted against the Government’s plans to lift the cap on unfair dismissal compensation, 34 were hereditary peers.
Meanwhile, shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith criticised the Liberal Democrats for backing the Government, accusing them of voting with Labour in exchange for getting five new Liberal Democrats life peerages, which were announced on the same day as the vote.
He told MPs: “Five Lib Dems lords are leaping. That’s all it took for the Liberal Democrat party to throw every British business under the bus and expose them to the unimaginable liability of infinite tribunal payouts.
“It’s hard to think of a more anti-growth, anti-job measure.
“On Monday, the Liberal Democrat spokesman was against. On Wednesday, they were for. Goodness knows where they’ll be tomorrow.
“Does the Minister agree with me that British business would have an entirely fair case to dismiss the lot of them?”
Responding, Sir Chris said: “He seems to have lost the plot, frankly.”
Mr Griffith was reiterating what he claimed after the vote on Wednesday, that “the Lib Dems voted to throw every British business under the bus by backing Labour on its unemployment bill in return for a couple of extra peerages”.
He added: “They think firms should face unlimited tribunal payouts on top of the other damage from Labour’s 330-page red tape Bill, written by and for the trade unions.
“Thankfully, Conservatives opposed the measure and won. But businesses will never forget this shameful betrayal, and nor will the staff they are forced to lay off due to the costs of this disastrous legislation.”
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That we still have a House of Lords in the first place is obscene.
Regardless of whether it is stuffed with political appointees and disgraced politicians such as Vaughan Gething, or hereditary peers whose relatives once slept with a monarch, the House of Lords as a second chamber is an anachronism.
ELECTED SECOND CHAMBER NOW!
Oh? To move to an American style system? What a great example that is.
As opposed to our system whereby once they are appointed we are stuck with them for life. At least in the USA (and every other country that has an elected upper chamber) they can be removed by popular vote at the end of their term.
Or perhaps the Lords should be renamed “Unelected Senator for Life”, for that is what they are.
For the sake of of OUR COUNTRY FUTURE WALES get rid of the house of Lords get rid of Wasteminster and get rid of the Monarchy in other words INDEPENDENCE there is no future for Wales in the U K we must run our own country not be run by the bloody English
Oh dear i seem to have upset some English people on here they say the truth hurts
Nah it’s just some of us actually don’t mind the monarchy as much as the potential for the alternative… see Trump. The monarchy have shown they can self regulate pretty well, even without criminal convictions… which is more than can be said of certain republican nations.
You do realise that there is a difference between the monarchy and the house of Lords? Clearly you don’t understand how the British constitution works. King Charles III didn’t actually vote on this legislation, the lords did.
Bryant cementing his position as a doughnut who can’t count. If Labour can’t get it’s own peers to vote their way it’s his party that are to blame.
That said scrap the Lords but don’t replace it with political appointees, Starmer has reneged on abolishing it, instead looking to stuff his own has beens into it.
What system do you propose instead?
I propose the Canadian system.
The house of lords needs to move to a… slightly different eligibility. It’s whole selling point is that it has members who are experienced in their fields. Doctors, Lawyers, Businessmen, Land managers and so on. A house that can act as a tempering force to the house of common’s rough and tumble. We should, as far as I can tell, bring back guilds. Organizations that are thorough experts in their fields. Each would have an allotment of representatives from each different walk of life. Engineers, Scientists, Legal experts, Politicians (yes these are necessary), Doctors, Bakers, Charity workers (which would naturally… Read more »
Welcome to the Middle Ages!
I mean, wow! Your contempt for democracy is overwhelming.
Although if we were to adopt your system perhaps we could refer to its members as “Unelected Senators for Life”, that way we can all express our contempt for the politicians cronies that this chamber would inevitably be stuffed with.
And who decides whether to appoint Conservative supporting doctors, lawyers and bakers, or Labour supporting doctors, lawyers and bakers?
There are 85 Hereditary peers remaining, 708 Life Peers, 23 Bishops and 7 Life Peers (judicial).
There are 282 Conservative peers, 209 Labour peers, 177 Cross Bench, 75 Lib Dems…
85 does not have the ability to counter 209. Labour should instead wonder why it is unable to convince the other Life Peers and dare I say it Labour peers.
Most of them never turn up.