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Labour Senedd Member at ‘naughtiest’ fringe event to hear the case for a British republic

25 Sep 2022 4 minute read
King Charles III. Picture by Victoria Jones / PA Wire.

A Labour Senedd Member was among dozens who gathered to hear the case for a British republic at a packed fringe event branded the “naughtiest” at the Labour conference.

Guests at the meeting on Saturday evening – including Jenny Rathbone, the Senedd Member for Cardiff Central – were warned against a future with a “white, privileged male” as head of state, as the hosts argued power by “accident of birth” is “incompatible” with the party’s democratic values.

The discussion centred on the future of the monarchy in the wake of the Queen’s death – a polarising topic for Labour, with some dissent possible during a rendition of God Save The King at the conference on Sunday.

The panellists included author Paul Richards, Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee and Dr Adam Tucker, a specialist in constitutional law at the University of Liverpool.

Mr Richards drew a laugh from the audience as he opened his own address by welcoming them to “naughtiest fringe meeting” of the conference.

Ms Toynbee told the event that she would have liked the Queen to be “Elizabeth the last”, but suggested it would not be a good idea for Labour to call for the abolition of the monarchy at the next general election.

Instead, she said: “Our job is to persuade people gradually, which is working as the tide is moving slowly and in a republican direction, until such a time there’s a majority of people also want to open up the whole issue, have a proper discussion about it.”

She added: “There is of course never a right time, because either Queen Elizabeth is alive and that’s not a very good idea or she’s died and then that’s not a very good idea, either. So there never is a perfect time to talk about this.

“I would like her to have been ‘Elizabeth the last’ but there was no moment, there is no fraction, no nanosecond between her drawing her last breath… and the crown falling upon her son the next instant. There was no moment when we were allowed to discuss it, even.”

‘No qualification’

Dr Adam Tucker said the King may be “less well equipped” to walk the “tightrope of our politics and constitution and ceremony” than his mother.

He insisted “no political power should ever be held on a hereditary basis”.

Mr Richards said it was the “right time for scrutiny” following the Queen’s death.

He added that, in his view, there is nothing “revolutionary” about wanting to live in a republic, claiming “we’re the unusual ones” with a constitutional monarchy in Britain.

A leaflet provided at the event warned that Britain faces a future with a “white, privileged male” as head of state at least until the end of the century.

“There’s little doubt that this will only accelerate calls for an end to the monarchy,” it said.

“Labour for a Republic believes that accident of birth is no qualification for our country’s top job and is completely incompatible with Labour’s values of democracy and equality.

“Under a republican constitution, citizens ,collectively, would be sovereign, with a head of state elected on merit and with responsibility for protecting our constitution. We say Labour must lead on this issue.”

Mr Burgon welcomed a “considered” discussion on the topic.

“In 1993 the law was changed so that the monarch wouldn’t pay inheritance tax on private assets… as opposed to state assets – so private assets,” he said.

“I think these are still legitimate matters of inquiry. And people who respect the Queen’s service… can still hold these views. It’s not an insult to anybody. It’s a legitimate discussion in a democratic society.”

Asked about the meeting earlier this week, shadow minister James Murray insisted that fringe events are not organised, nor endorsed by, the party.

Put to him by Sky News presenter Kay Burley that it seemed “terribly inappropriate” to discuss at the conference whether the monarchy should be abolished, given the current circumstances, he said: “The fringe events are not organised by the Labour Party or endorsed by the Labour Party.

“That’s not the view of the Labour Party frontbench, that’s not the view of myself or Keir Starmer.”


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Mr Williams
Mr Williams
2 months ago

It is not ‘naughty’ to have a political opinion about the role and position of Head of State. We’re supposed to be a democracy!

hdavies15
hdavies15
2 months ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

Labour have a million miles or more to go before they are able to overcome their natural tendency to be anything other than a Unionist, Loyalist crony party.

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
2 months ago

Up the Republic!!!

Llyn
Llyn
2 months ago

Wanting a republic appears to be a thought crime in today’s Britain and Wales.

Dr John Ball
Dr John Ball
2 months ago

Ask if she believes in a WELSH republic!

hdavies15
hdavies15
2 months ago
Reply to  Dr John Ball

Too attached to the colonialist lifestyle to ever recognise merit in that sort of thing !

I Humphrys
I Humphrys
2 months ago

We don’t have to be a Republic to be independent. Australia isn’t. If you have lived in a republic, you will know that the president is often a Royal figure with palace, summer palace…and so the long day wears on. Having Will and Kate as kind of virtual h.o.s. makes it easy to do other stuff and keeps us friendly with our eastern neighbours. This topic is Cul de Sac stuff. Where are the articles on surviving the coming depression
which is just around the corner.

Last edited 2 months ago by I Humphrys
notimejeff
notimejeff
2 months ago

the ‘white privileged male’ comment may be Labour policy, but it is not a mainstream republican principle. If a white male were elected as head of state that would not be an issue, except perhaps for certain people in the Labour party..Identitarian politics is not and should not be part of the campaign to move to an elected hofs.

Steven
Steven
1 month ago
Reply to  notimejeff

Labour is a racist anti white party and has been for a long time which is why people shouldn’t vote for them including idiots here in England. My fellow Englishmen should know Labour doesn’t like the Scots or the Welsh let alone us. Occasionally, as in these remarks, the truth of this comes out as Labour’s mask slips. The predicted Labour landslide thanks to Truss and her gormless economic libertarian nutcase Tory mob frightens me especially as vile Labour STILL won’t become a properly democratic party and endorse Proportional Representation for Westminster. Unlike you Welsh and the Scots we English… Read more »

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