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‘Of course’ Wales could thrive as an independent nation says Michael Gove

18 Nov 2021 2 minutes Read
Michael Gove. Picture by Richard Townshend (CC BY 3.0).

Michael Gove has said that “of course” Wales could thrive as an independent nation, but that it would be a mistake as “the United Kingdom is the single most successful state in the world”.

In a wide-ranging interview with WalesOnline, the Secretary of State for Levelling Up was asked whether he could see Wales thrive as a self-governing nation not under Westminster’s wing.

“I think Wales is one of the most amazing places in the world and of course it could,” he said while on a visit to Merthyr Tydfil.

But he added, “I think it would be a mistake, a huge mistake for people to want to speculate about separation, because the United Kingdom is the single most successful state in the world.”

“And it’s successful because of the contribution that people from Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and England make to it.”

He went on to say that the UK was “a multi-cultural, multi-national, multi-ethnic state, that shares attachment to the rule of law, to respect for property rights, to democracy, equality and decency”.

These were because of the contribution of people in Wales such as Nye Bevan who had founded the NHS and the BBC’s “best presenter” Huw Edwards, he said.

The Conservative Party had a record of enhancing Wales’ powers rather than reducing them, he said, citing the increase in devolved powers in 2011 and the setting up of S4C under Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1982.

His comments come after the Welsh Government has accused the UK Government of “levelling down” Wales as it was revealed that the country would get £329m less this year than it would have received from the EU if it was still a member.

They have also accused the UK Government of a “power grab” and an “assault on devolution” over attempts to centralise powers over devolved areas at Westminster.

Responding, Michael Gove said that “people in Wales benefit from having two governments – devolution is the best of both worlds for Wales.”

You can read the full interview with Michael Gove here.

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Arwyn
Arwyn
9 days ago

“The most successful state in the world” … ? Really? Has he taken a look at the Gini index recently. Has he looked at the figures for Wales’ GVA? GDP? Average wages? Average house price? In work poverty? Childhood poverty? Our health stats?

Gove’s not on cloud cuckoo land – but he would be if he thought for even just one second that he was telling the truth.

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
9 days ago
Reply to  Arwyn

Indeed, just look at how life expectancy in the Valleys is lower than the Home Counties and has plummeted since 2010 and the Tories came to power.

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
9 days ago
Reply to  Arwyn

God knows what drugs he is on now

Quornby
Quornby
9 days ago

“the single most successful state in the world”…… And so modest, so mislead.

Ricknorth
Ricknorth
9 days ago

Would this be the same wonderful nhs that these tory charlatans are trying to sell off for quick monetary kickbacks to usa?

Paul
Paul
9 days ago

What criteria is he using for his “most successful state in the world” claim?

It certainly isn’t economic.

Last edited 9 days ago by Paul
Malcolm rj
Malcolm rj
9 days ago

Why is it that Wales with our great mineral wealth that Wales had that drove the industrial revolution we have ended up the poorest part of the UK rape of the fair country comes to mind

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
9 days ago

When is Gove going to realise that regardless of whether the Union is the most successful state in the world or not – Wales didn’t have any choice in the matter. It is still a conquered nation and just because it was taken over almost 800 years and then helped in the building of the Empire makes little difference. As a people we still have our own culture, language and traditions all based west of Offas Dyke and quite distinctive from the people in the east, so we have a right to self determination, should we choose to do so.… Read more »

Andrew
Andrew
9 days ago

Prior to and ever since the Act Of Partition, (not union), the Cymry have been second class citizens on this island that was to become the U.K. Perhaps we should start calling ourselves First Nation Britons and create our own reservation west of Offa’s . The rest of the U.K. could then place us on their school national curriculum and teach about our ethnic minority culture.

Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
9 days ago
Reply to  Andrew

I remember in about 1990 having a conversation with a black man at a party who said he had been to wales on a school trip, he then said to me unprompted “you are the white n****** in the uk”. I took me many years to realise that he was absolutely correct

Andrew
Andrew
9 days ago

Yes Gareth. Despite the might of Rome, the relentless onslaughts of Saxon’s Angles, Jutes, Vikings and multitudes of mercinary hordes, followed by the Normans, Norman English and eventually the English, we are still here. This narrative however. has been airbrushed from history and deemed not worthy of mention. I struggle to think of another indigenous people who had had their history ignored and hidden so successfully by an agressor state.

Nate Higgers
Nate Higgers
7 days ago

touch grass faggot. your the niggers of the UK because you do nothing.

Grayham Jones
9 days ago

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Grayham Jones
9 days ago

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Gareth Wyn Jones
Gareth Wyn Jones
9 days ago
Reply to  Grayham Jones

Your estimates are a bit high but take your point

Erisian
Erisian
9 days ago

Just read that identical post under a different thread Grayham.

Grayham Jones
9 days ago

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Grayham Jones
9 days ago

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Erisian
Erisian
9 days ago
Reply to  Grayham Jones

You forgot the copper and the slate

steve ascott
steve ascott
8 days ago
Reply to  Erisian

What about the gold?

Crwtyn Cemais
Crwtyn Cemais
9 days ago

So Michael Gove thinks that the UK is the “single most successful State in the world” ? Has he never been to Switzerland or New Zealand or Denmark or…the list goes on! One can but wonder what his criteria for a successful State are!

Paul Reynolds
7 days ago
Reply to  Crwtyn Cemais

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