Outspoken councillor proposes shutting small schools in Welsh county

Richard Evans – Local democracy reporter
An outspoken councillor has proposed closing rural schools in a Welsh county, claiming the move would save money and improve education.
Abergele councillor Paul Luckock says rural schools in Conwy are costing the council £14,000 per head compared to £4,000 per pupil at the larger schools on the coast.
Conwy’s cabinet has repeatedly blamed the Welsh Government at council meetings, citing an “outdated” funding formula that short-changes the authority compared to neighbouring councils such as Denbighshire, as well as some authorities in South Wales.
Several schools in Conwy have been amalgamated as part of Conwy’s “rationalisation” of primary schools, which has seen primary schools in Mochdre and Abergele placed under one administration.
Consultation
Conwy is currently taking part in a public consultation over the amalgamation of Ysgol Hen Golwyn and Ysgol T Gwynn Jones in the latest move to save funds.
But Cllr Luckock claims Conwy has too many schools with too few pupils, arguing closing rural schools in areas such as the Conwy Valley would save money.
“Since I was elected in May 2022, we’ve not progressed at the speed we should have both in the amalgamation of schools and the closure of some small schools and the building of area schools,” he said.
“The cost-benefit methodology, but also, more importantly, the teaching and learning methodology, says you really should have in a primary school a minimum of 120 pupils. So that is the guidance we are given. As you know, we are also given guidance that no schools should have more than 10% of surplus places.
“But of course, we are in that situation where we’ve got lots of schools, very small schools, and many schools, including secondary schools, with more than 10% surplus places. But we’ve now reached the stage where if schools reach a number of 10 children, we can close them. Our smallest school has 12 children.”
Concerns
Speaking about Ysgol Ysbyty Ifan, near Betws y Coed, – Cllr Luckock referred to an Estyn report published in November 2024 before the school was placed in special measures due to safeguarding concerns.
The Estyn report said: “Leaders identify some of the school’s strengths and are aware of the improvement priorities. However, they are not successful enough in addressing fundamental weaknesses in the quality of provision and pupils’ outcomes. For example, the quality of teaching is not robust enough at the school, and leaders do not address these weaknesses effectively enough.”
Cllr Luckock went on to speak about the federation between Ysgol Ysbyty Ifan and Ysgol Llanddoged in Llanrwst.
He said: “We had two schools in a federation, which quite recently had a very damning Estyn report. (Ysgol) Ysbyty Ifan failed on all grounds, leadership, safeguarding, all that. That school has only got 14 pupils. It is still open and (we are) still trying to find a way of federating these small schools to make them… to provide a (better) teaching and learning environment. Obviously, there is significant resistance each time you want to close a school.
“So to be fair, there has been some progress. My argument is the progress being made is much too modest. What Charlie (Cllr Charlie McCoubrey) as leader is saying, Julie Fallon (cabinet member for education), is that these are very controversial decisions, and initially you’ve got to invest some money to amalgamate and close schools. That is a cost, and you might have to borrow or raise council tax to do that.”
‘cost-effective’
He added: “So basically, we are in a bit of a perfect storm. I am personally very supportive of the rationalisation of our schools, because in the long term, and most importantly, that will improve teaching and learning opportunities and be much more cost-effective.
“You’ve got to remember that primary schools along the coast basically get around £4,000-£4,500 per head, because that’s what Conwy’s funding formula gives them. Some of these small schools in rural areas receive up to £14,000 per child per head. It needs to be addressed. Some of these schools just don’t give the teaching and learning opportunities which children require. The way to solve it – the way to do it is to establish schools with at least 120 pupils, and those area schools would have to serve a number of rural communities.
“It is a controversial decision, but eventually, those decisions will have to be taken, because I don’t think Conwy is going to get a massive amount of money to maintain what I would say is a flawed system. It’s politically supported in Conwy to have all these small schools, but I don’t think it is sustainable in the longer term, and I think there are money constraints. The larger primary schools and the primary schools on the coast are very unhappy with the funding formula because they receive very significantly less money per child.”
A spokeswoman for Conwy County Council said: “Conwy is committed to ensuring that all learners have a good quality learning experience whilst making sure that educational settings operate as efficiently and effectively as possible.
“School modernisation in Conwy continues to be a priority, and working with our communities to enable the delivery of effective education is a key driver.”
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If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
Closing small rural schools is controversial and will face significant opposition but area primary schools of 120 pupils are a better option for teaching and learning, Welsh medium teaching and heritage and culture can be maintained….
Yes their are additional costs for school transport and for the capital costs of extending schools or building completely new schools but this is a much better long term option…individual pupil costs are still high for 120 pupils but the present funding formula is not sustainable even if Plaid are in power from May 2026 following the elections for the Senedd……
County and town/community councils all over Wales are full of this type of character, that’s retired here and have big opinions on communities they don’t understand.
Many get in by default unopposed, due to lack of candidates. My local town council hasn’t had a full election since the mid 2000s; it’s a farce.
The whole local government model in Wales needs to be radically overhauled and its roles adequately remunerated so it opens it up to be reflective of a community, rather than the retired and self employed being massively over represented.
Are you a Town Councillor on your local council? if not why not? Easy to criticise others who do the role for free
Lived in Abergele for 36 years, the funding formula in Conwy means children in larger schools on the coast receive £4.5k children in rural up to £14k…….this level of inequality not sustainable BUT the key issue is teaching and learning more effective with at least a minimum of 120 children, yes Welsh Government can increase income tax to sustain the status quo, council tax also increased to sustain the status quo…..in European countries where small rural schools are sustained, the residents pay much higher taxes than in Wales…….that maybe the settled will of the electorate in the Senedd elections…..so be… Read more »
The Welsh Medium School in Abergele, Ysgol Glan Morfa also suffers financially because the funding formula is sustaining unviable schools in rural areas……the small schools finally close because of parental preference…….parents make judgements rationally based on the changes they see locally and anticipate in the future…..every year across Wales small schools close despite the funding support for them…..
You are absolutely right (no matter how many thumbs down you get). Circa 85% of any school’s funding depends upon the number of kids in it. Once you add in the cost of not fully funded pay awards, the ALN budget (out of control) and various other factors, many small schools are unsustainable. Nor is keeping them open fair – as you say the larger schools have to effectively cross subsidise them. Politicians and campaigners ignore these inconvenient truths however.
It makes sense. A map of the County with ideal school locations on it to provide the number of 120 minimum size schools could be developed as a model to work towards. There is the issue of accessibility in terms of roads and distance currently the issue with the Diocese of Wrexham proposals in North East Wales.
And yet I dare say he’d be happy to give billions to the likes of Ukraine and Israel would he?