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People with Covid discharged to care homes over fears for NHS, inquiry told

29 Nov 2023 5 minute read
Former UK deputy chief medical officer Professor Dame Jenny Harries giving evidence. Image UK Covid-19 Inquiry

People with Covid-19 were discharged to care homes over fears about the NHS getting “clogged up”, the UK pandemic inquiry has heard.

Professor Dame Jenny Harries, England’s deputy chief medical officer during the pandemic and now head of the UK Health Security Agency, told the inquiry of how an email she sent in mid-March 2020 described the “bleak picture” and “top line awful prospect” of what needed to happen if hospitals overflowed.

Discharging people to care homes – where thousands of people died of Covid – has been one of the central controversies when it comes to how the Government handled the pandemic.

‘Not in charge’

The inquiry also heard from former health secretary and chancellor Sajid Javid, who said he resigned in February 2020 after feeling then prime minister Boris Johnson was “not in charge” and chief adviser Dominic Cummings was “running the Government”.

On Wednesday, the Covid inquiry was read an email exchange between Rosamond Roughton, an official at the Department of Health, and Dame Jenny on March 16 2020.

Ms Roughton asked what the approach should be around discharging symptomatic people to care homes, adding: “My working assumption was that we would have to allow discharge to happen, and have very strict infection control? Otherwise the NHS presumably gets clogged up with people who aren’t acutely ill.”

Ms Roughton added that this was a “big ethical issue” for care home providers who were “understandably very concerned” and who were “already getting questions from family members”.

In response, Dame Jenny emailed: “Whilst the prospect is perhaps what none of us would wish to plan for, I believe the reality will be that we will need to discharge Covid-19 positive patients into residential care settings for the reason you have noted.

“This will be entirely clinically appropriate because the NHS will triage those to retain in acute settings who can benefit from that sector’s care.

“The numbers of people with disease will rise sharply within a fairly short timeframe and I suspect make this fairly normal practice and more acceptable, but I do recognise that families and care homes will not welcome this in the initial phase.”

‘Explosion of cases’

Questioned about this email, Dame Jenny told the Covid inquiry it “sounds awful” but was intended to provide “a very, very high level view” of what would happen if there was an “enormous explosion of cases”.

She said: “It was a very bleak picture because I think the reality was, this isn’t an invitation to be discharging Covid patients, it’s actually a reality that says if hospitals overflow … those who are physically well to go, will go.”

She later added it was a “high-level view of what was coming over the hill” and should not be read as her saying that such a move was “fine”.

She said: “My message on the 16th … this was a look ahead and think, ‘this is what will happen in due course’, it doesn’t give a timeframe.

“You should not take my email as to say, ‘the NHS is suddenly going to discharge lots of Covid-positive patients and that’s absolutely fine’.

“What it was doing was painting a picture to the person who was contributing to policy on the official side at the Department of Health.”

She added: “I’m really keen to emphasise my email was a high-level view so people were aware of what was kind of coming over the hill, but the hill was still a little way away.”

Inquiry counsel Andrew O’Connor then suggested there was “some degree of equanimity about discharging large numbers of Covid-19 patients into that very vulnerable environment”.

Dame Jenny replied, “if I may, I think that’s an interpretation”, adding: “This was a very high-level picture to reinforce, if you like, the position that the country was in at that weekend, and I think we’ve heard that in other places.

“If people were not thinking through what the likelihood was in the rising numbers of cases, as we’ve heard, I don’t think we have sensible conversations about managing risks.

“This is not a policy at all. This is a statement of, ‘if you have a pandemic in a country, how on earth are you going to manage that exponential rise in cases?’”

No evidence 

The inquiry later heard how Dame Jenny along with other top health experts wrote to cabinet secretary Simon Case in May 2020, when he was Number 10 permeant secretary, expressing concern that people may believe they “could go back to normal” wearing face coverings made from T-shirts, when there was no evidence to support this.

She added: “The problem we had there was that there appeared to be a view permeating through, and a real concern and risk, that it was being conceived that if you did one metre (social distancing) and you wore a face covering slung round your cheek, or whatever it might be, that was fine.

“So, there was a risk that in encouraging face (masks) people would stop doing the thing that was really important, which was distancing and all the other things.”

The Covid inquiry later heard that former prime minister Boris Johnson said “malingering work-shy people” needed to get back to work in July 2021 and the Government “can’t have the bollocks of consulting with employees and trade unions”.


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Bereaved and Concerned
Bereaved and Concerned
2 months ago

When my husband was in hospital before the first lockdown, I observed a lot of patients of all ages were being transported elsewhere.
Three weeks later, when my husband contracted Covid in hospital, I was able to see him one last time 5 days before he died. On that ward, there were 13 empty beds that registered in my head.
Discharging people to care homes, moved the problems from the hospitals.
A shambles.

Lord Custard
Lord Custard
2 months ago

They should never have allowed this. I’m amazed she’s even trying to justify it.

hdavies15
hdavies15
2 months ago

Whether the bias was conscious or not, these were decisions that worked against the old and infirm. Their life prospects were dealt a deeply prejudicial blow just to clear the beds for even more sick people. Lots of senior people who had done little or no forward planning got paid a lot of money for best part of 2 years for running around like headless chickens. People like the Dame spent too much time preparing to do their talking heads bit on TV rather than get down into the detail and work out some viable and lasting responses to Covid.… Read more »

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