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Petition demanding depictions of dragons have a penis to be considered by Senedd committee

30 Jul 2021 2 minutes Read
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A bizarre petition demanding that depictions of dragons have a penis, has got enough signatures to be discussed by a Senedd committee.

The Petitions Committee at the Welsh Parliament will now have to consider the unusual proposal after 57 people signed it, which is 7 more than the 50 required.

This is still a long way off the 10,000 signatures needed for it to be considered for a debate in the Senedd.

The petition will be collecting signatures until 29 January 2022. Petitions can collect signatures for a maximum of 6 months.

The petition by Rhŷn Williams says: “Within symbology, an erect penis depicts fertility and strength, when applied to a royal insignia, it’s even more important because in order to show a leader’s capability in sustaining a kingdom, this has to be conveyed via simple imagery, thus… when the dragon is erect, it portrays dominance and leadership, but when the penis is missing, this portrays the creature (the nation) as dominated, weak and fragile.

“When the Royal Mint depict our dragon, they recognise that he has a penis, but for some reason, our government does not, and although some may find the topic amusing, this imagery is important if we are to carry on flying it for centuries to come.”

‘Bemusement’ 

The petition has been a source of bemusement on social media.

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Shan Morgain
1 month ago

The Draig is MY Draig and therefore female as well as male. Since a dragon is a fantasy chimera there is no way of knowing a male dragon’s penis is visible.So not seeing it does not equate with lack. Rhyn Williams is also talking royal sovereignty symbols. The DDraig is not a royalist symbol s/he is a people’s symbol and much beloved for it.

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

Agreed. Plus reptiles have cloacas anyway

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
1 month ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

Good points

CJPh
CJPh
1 month ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

It is your ddraig. It’s also his and mine. Any presupposition or stringent definition as to the symbology should be viewed with deep suspicion. To ignore consensus is folly, to ignore history is dangerous.

G Horton-Jones
G Horton-Jones
1 month ago

Llewellyn in 1282 is understood to have flown his standard .A gold dragon rampant on a field of white .

Shan is totally correct in all she has said and this attempt to assign gender to a dragon is pure nonsense

Quornby
Quornby
1 month ago

Should the royal arms unicorn have one too?

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Quornby

Unless it’s a female. Do female unicorns have a horn too?

Siôn ap Alun
Siôn ap Alun
1 month ago
Reply to  #1Chris

Don’t forget the Lion!

j humphrys
j humphrys
1 month ago

The crazies (shifted from Yes power) are at it again?

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago

Surely if being gender flexible is all the rage then there is no point in having any kind of organ depicted. There again the originator of this petition is probably a bit of a pr**k !

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago

A Dragon is a reptile. Male and female reptiles, like birds, have cloacas (“innie” not “outie”). EVERYONE knows that! So asking for a penis on a dragon is the idiotic request of someone who has no knowledge of animals, whether zoological or cyptozoological I’m not emotionally attached to a flag which is essentially derived from a standard of one of the very worst kings, Henry VIII but rubbish like this trivialises the flag and clearly comes from some Yoon “prankster” seeking to undermine what it stands for Y Senedd will “consider” this childish nonsense for about a hundredth of a… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by #1Chris
Julian Townsend
Julian Townsend
1 month ago
Reply to  #1Chris

Turtles are reptiles. They have enormous penises, so I don’t see why a dragon can’t have one. Especially a Welsh dragon, naturally.

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago

Did not know that. Searched (carefully) on google to confirm. So learned something new, thanks.
But turtles need them because of their massive shells I read. A dragon doesn’t have a shell so I reckon this mythical creatures is more likely to be like other reptiles (except for the fire breathing of course).
The nearest real proxies for a dragon I could find in the real world are monitor lizards and bearded dragons. Both of them smooth like a Ken doll down there.
Now excuse me while i go purge my search history

defaid
defaid
1 month ago
Reply to  #1Chris

A like for the purge.

Amanda
Amanda
1 month ago
Reply to  #1Chris

Pretty sure that’s what incognito mode was made for.

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Amanda

😄

Holly T
Holly T
1 month ago

I don’t like the assumption that the Draig is male or the glorification of masculine dominance supposedly implied by an erect penis.

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Holly T

Which reptiles don’t have anyway.

Adding a penis to a dragon would be as out of place as adding a personality to the “quirky” ass who came up with the petition in the first place

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
1 month ago
Reply to  Holly T

Excellent point

Stephen Owen
Stephen Owen
1 month ago

I think Wales has bigger problems to deal with, and there is no need to depict gender anyway. Our flag is great as it is. Cymru am byth 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Huw Davies
Huw Davies
1 month ago

I can honestly say this was one debate I never would have predickted. Hopefully it won’t drag on or turn out to have been based on a phallusy.

Welsh_Sion
Welsh_Sion
1 month ago

Dw i ddim yn gwybod am ddreigiau, ond mae’r deisebwr yn swnio’n dipyn o goc oen.

Welsh_Sion
Welsh_Sion
1 month ago
Reply to  Welsh_Sion

I dunno about dragons, but the petitioner sounds a bit of a dipstick.

defaid
defaid
1 month ago

Could there be anything less dignified? Gender and representation issues aside, even if it wasn’t a bloody great big lizard with anatomy as described in other comments, and with sincere apologies to Gaulish sportsmen and women, having a big c*ck on your national flag is probably going to work out about as well as the sheep trope. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the petition was really got up by some non-Welsh person just so our immediate neighbours can have something new out of which to take the pi$$. It’s fine as it is. It’s true about the old… Read more »

defaid
defaid
1 month ago

Were any other argument required, my dictionary says “Draig, enw benywaidd…”.

Which really makes a mockery of all sorts of generally accepted assumptions.

Welsh_Sion
Welsh_Sion
1 month ago
Reply to  defaid

Roedd Cymro wedi laru ar ei wraig yn swnian ac yn cecru gymaint, mi benderfynodd roi ei llun ar ein baner genedlaethol.

(Dyna beth mae rhai yn ei ddweud, o leiaf … 😉 )

QED.

defaid
defaid
1 month ago
Reply to  Welsh_Sion

Perffaith! Yr hen ddraig.

(Ydy Mrs Welsh_Sion yn darllen y sylwadau yma?)

Last edited 1 month ago by defaid
Welsh_Sion
Welsh_Sion
1 month ago
Reply to  defaid

Nac ydy dw ddim yn medd… Ow, cariad! … Cariad?

(Dysgwraig ydy hi. Fi ydy oedd y tiwtor.)

Last edited 1 month ago by Welsh_Sion
Shan Morgain
1 month ago

With respect to those saying a dragon is a reptile, it’s not. It’s a chimera, a fantasy beast combining all the main types. Wings represent birds. Scales represent water creatures, fish. The large heavy body represents mammals. The clawed feet, reptiles. Mediaevals would say Air, Water, Earth, Fire, all together = Spirit. When Dragons propagate in legends they do so by eggs but this could be bird or reptile fashion. It could just as well be breathed out in its fiery breath. It’s a fantasy of Elemental philosophy.

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

I so wanted to argue my reptilian stance, since it seemed to me like an obvious logic bomb mic-drop moment.
But you make a great case. All I could try is to fall back on bearded dragons and monitor lizards as proxies. But honestly, that’s thin gruel.
I know when I’m beat.
Touché madame

Huw Davies
Huw Davies
1 month ago
Reply to  Shan Morgain

My theory was that some pterodactyl type creatures survived long enough to terrorise some of our humanoid ancestors and the imagery was preserved in legend. Or I might just have been influenced by Raquel Welch in a fur bikini when I was a young lad!

Wrexhamian
Wrexhamian
1 month ago

Almost certainly a unionist attempt at ridicule of the Senedd and this country as a whole. Can’t imagine any Cymro coming up with this infantile idea.

GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
1 month ago

Which animal real or made up has its junk out for show?

defaid
defaid
1 month ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

Anyone with his tat out on show is probably a bit of an animal…

CapM
CapM
1 month ago

Maybe the Senedd could photoshop continually updated versions based on whoever’s First Minister at the time.
It could become a honoured, popular and well loved tradition with the bonus of being much cheaper than the trappings that go with having a Royal Family.

Siôn ap Alun
Siôn ap Alun
1 month ago

Come on folks, it’s a joke and people are having fun – not unlike Boaty McBoatface

#1Chris
#1Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Siôn ap Alun

Aren’t jokes meant to be funny though?

Huw Davies
Huw Davies
1 month ago
Reply to  Siôn ap Alun

Has anyone done the Y Ddraig Goc Ddyry Cychwyn yet?

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