Police say they don’t have evidence 20mph limit has reduced casualties
Richard Evans, local democracy reporter
Almost a year to the day after the 20mph speed limit was introduced, North Wales Police were unable to produce evidence that the law has reduced casualties.
Police chiefs were grilled by a committee of councillors at a North Wales Police and Crime Panel at Conwy County Council’s Bodlondeb HQ.
The 20mph default speed limit was introduced on restricted roads by Welsh Government on 17 September 2023, replacing the old 30mph limit.
But at the meeting yesterday afternoon (Monday), North Wales Police’s Crime Commissioner Andy Dunbobbin and Chief Constable Amanda Blakeman said they were unable to provide, or hadn’t seen, evidence that the 20mph speed limit had reduced casualties.
Cllr Chris Bithell sits on the crime panel and asked if casualties had reduced.
‘Review’
Cllr Bithell raised the Welsh Government allocating £5m to reassess the speed limit on 20mph roads earlier this summer, referring to it as a ‘review’.
“I’m just wondering to what extent, if any, the 20mph zones have had in terms of accidents in North Wales and serious accidents in particular,” he said.
“Is there any evidence (of a reduction) has been a result of this? I’m getting a lot of messages. I think a lot of other councillors probably are too in terms of the review that’s going on.
“Many people welcomed this (the review) and they didn’t want the 20mph zones in the first place, but again, I’m getting communications from people concerned about us going back to the 30mph limit in certain areas because they feel far more comfortable and safer for themselves and their children in those particular areas and have noticed an improvement. I’m just wondering if there is any evidence from the police in that respect.”
But Crime Commissioner Andy Dunbobbin – who had presented his annual report at the meeting, highlighting road safety as a priority – said he didn’t have the figures requested.
“With the 20mph and the impact that has had, I haven’t got those figures to hand,” he said.
“I’m not sure if the Chief Constable would be able to provide a more substantive answer to that question, but unfortunately I haven’t got that to hand at this moment.”
Enforcement
Chief Constable Amanda Blakeman commented: “With the 20mph, the majority of our enforcement of it has been around the areas you would expect and anticipate for us to be doing – in schools, those areas that are very vulnerable, and obviously from a feedback point of view, it has been a really challenging and difficult area that has been an ongoing engagement with communities.
“In terms of being able to identify whether it has made a difference to road casualties, we would have to go away and have a look at that. I haven’t got any evidence of that at this time.”
She added: “I would say a lot of our serious road traffic collisions happen on our fast roads and happen, as we know, around things that we do a lot of work around prevention (wise), (for example) Op Darwin, motorcyclists, but we can definitely go away and have a look at that for you and give you some substantive feedback.
“But at this moment in time, there is nothing I’ve seen in all the reports I’ve had that has indicated that to be the case. But the engagement, and I think support, for us enforcing around our schools particularly, hospitals, areas where we have got vulnerable communities, has been quite strong.”
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They are just confirming what we ALL KNOW. it’s impossible to get the data unless you look at every accident with a car involved . There are at least 50 reasons for most car crashes speeding might be one. First Minister knew this was coming .
Even if North Wales police produced evidence for hundreds of lives saves – it would not make any difference to the beliefs of those who want to abolish the law. The law has become a political football for the Conservatives and no data will stop them using it as such. 20mph areas were in operation in many English cities before the Welsh law – there has been no outrage against them or calls to scrap them. It’s time the law is accepted here and even if one life has been saved – the law has been justified.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The three near-misses I recently witnessed (thankfully driving at 20) involving children running out into the road would, as non-incidents, not be recorded.
So £30m down the drain and making Wales the laughing stock of the UK.
Do we know across Wales as a whole where the reduction in terms of accident and injury has happened, since the 20 mph limit was introduced? Because many have argued for targeted, specific reductions in key areas (busy residential areas, school areas etc) – but not in others. That argument was rejected in favour of the ‘default’ 20 mph limit. It seems reasonable to have a more granular breakdown of the reduction in harm. Especially if Councils are going to apply to raise the 20 mph limit in some areas.
There is no evidence of a significant difference between 30mph zones and new 20mph zones because people are taking little notice and are driving at the same speed as prior the introduction. In 2018 the UK government undertook research of speed limits especially 30mph speed limit and it reported that the average speed within the 30mph speed limit zones was 22.9mph something which is probably reflected on 20mph speed limit zones.? The evidence provided by reports relied on from countries such as Spain which Mark Drakeford kept pushing was flawed. This flaw related to the fact that their evidence related… Read more »