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Police slam MS for issuing ‘incorrect’ and ‘misleading’ claims about crime levels

13 Feb 2025 6 minute read
Janet Finch Saunders MS

North Wales Police chiefs have slammed a Tory MS for issuing “incorrect” and “misleading” claims about crime and anti-social behaviour levels in a seaside resort and “talking the town down”.

North Wales Police and the Police Crime Commissioner Andy Dunbobbin and Assistant Chief Constable Gareth Evans have been highly critical of Aberconwy MS Janet Finch-Saunders, accusing her of damaging the reputation of Llandudno.

The row broke out following a meeting last week about rates of anti-social behaviour in Llandudno. The meeting was organised following complaints about vandalism in the resort carried out by gangs of youths smashing up shelters on the promenade, stealing from hotels, and vandalising Venue Cymru.

Infuriated

The police and commissioner were infuriated by Mrs Finch-Saunders “incorrect” claim after the meeting that there were 389 youth crimes in the resort last year – the force said the actual figure was 198. They were also angered by Mrs Finch-Saunders plea to residents to log 101 calls and share them with her office.

Mr Dunbobbin said: “As PCC for North Wales, I am disappointed by recent comments around the meeting on anti-social behaviour in Llandudno that took place last Friday. I believe it gives a misleading impression on the situation in the town.”

The officers present from North Wales Police (West Conwy Coastal Chief Inspector Trystan Bevan and Inspector Catherine Walker) gave a detailed overview on statistics around anti-social behaviour and crime in Llandudno and proactive work they have been doing to reduce crime and bring those responsible to justice, Mr Dunbobbin said.

‘Sustained drop’

He added: “The statistics clearly show a sustained drop in reported incidents over recent months. This is to be welcomed. Anti-social behaviour is an issue that is hugely important to me as PCC, and reducing and preventing this behaviour, and supporting communities through a visible neighbourhood policing presence, are cornerstones of my plan for tackling crime in North Wales.

“It was clear from the meeting that some residents have experienced criminal behaviour from young people and adults as well. This has affected their wellbeing, homes, and businesses, and this must – and is – being dealt with accordingly.

“Subsequent inflammatory statements from some around the meeting and the current situation in Llandudno risk giving the town an undue and misleading reputation for criminality. This would be detrimental for any town, but for a town reliant on visitors, anything that could discourage them from coming would be extremely unfortunate. There have also been suggestions by some that reporting of crimes should take place by other means than to the police and official routes. This suggestion is confusing and could delay the swiftness of the police response. It could also add greatly to the workload of all involved. I would urge all residents to continue to contact 999 in an emergency or use 101 or web chat in a non-emergency situation.”

Mr Dunbobbin appealed for all sides to “work together positively and proactively for the good of the residents, visitors, and town of Llandudno, and I look forward to seeing the work of North Wales Police continue in the weeks and months ahead, and this reduction in crime we have seen sustained as spring and summer approach”.

Comprehensive list

A North Wales Police spokesman said Mrs Finch-Saunders was “presented with a comprehensive list of results detailing how the actions of the local policing team have achieved positive success in reducing anti-social behaviour,” the the meeting last week.

He added: “These were backed up by some of those directly affected, including local hoteliers, as well as representatives from Llandudno Hospital, and the Town Council who were also present.

“Contrary to figures quoted in subsequent media reports by Ms Finch Saunders, there have been 198 ‘youth crimes’ reported in the last 12 months. 91 of these were for shoplifting. The meeting heard that the number of reports of youth anti-social behaviour incidents peaked last October (51) and has steadily declined every month since. January saw 23 reports.

“Overall levels of youth crime have also declined since November. Chief Inspector Bevan outlined several initiatives which have caused these reductions, including concerted ‘Op Restore’ patrols since May 2024 – an additional 500 hours of high visibility patrols in identified ‘anti-social behaviour hotspots’ – these are in addition to our ‘business as usual’ general patrols, as well as a ‘week of intensive action’ involving the resourcing of additional officers targeting known offenders.”

“Ms Finch-Saunders raised the issue of several shelters on the promenade that were vandalised. We were able to inform her that there were four different incidents, all on different days, but regrettably these were only reported to us on the occasion of the fourth incident. Despite this, a suspect was identified, and they are currently going through the Youth Justice system for a number of offences, where a panel will decide on an appropriate course of action.”

Six local youths

The police spokesman went on to confirm that six local youths have also been identified as responsible for a number of youth-related crime incidents, one put before the court in relation to six offences receiving a referral order. Two youths had also been dealt with outside of the courts, one awaiting a decision from Youth Justice, and two more the subjects of ongoing investigations.

He added: “With regards to the incidents at Llandudno Hospital, a suspect was identified, they are currently being dealt with by Youth Justice, and the hospital confirmed there have been no further issues since last November. We continue to work closely with partners in addressing any youth crime.

“We have also previously received reports of criminal offences and anti-social behaviour committed by adults in the area of the Town Hall. Due to robust police action, the group have been dispersed, and the main instigator is currently on remand awaiting sentence, along with other individuals, who have been charged with various offences. There have been no further issues of concern following this action.”

‘Disappointing’

Assistant Chief Constable Gareth Evans said: “It is disappointing that despite the local team having engaged with Ms Finch-Saunders over a period of months and having provided concrete statistics showing the positive reduction in the issues in Llandudno, her latest comments reported in local media reflected none of this, and were instead negative, and continue to talk the town down.

“This is damaging to both the local economy and the wider community.”

He added: “I would also like to make clear that it’s imperative our community knows the only place to report crime is directly to the police, as soon as possible.

“This gives us the best chance of dealing with incidents in a timely manner, assessing the risk threat and harm to the community, as well as informing us where any ‘hotspots’ occur, so that appropriate resources can be directed where they are needed most.”


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R W
R W
10 months ago

Janet Finch Saunders accused of making “incorrect and misleading” claims. SURELY NOT!!

Jeff
Jeff
10 months ago

Seems a thread running through the tory party from Kemi all the way down at the moment. Sling the mud and hope some will stick, which is ironic given Labour haven’t been in power long and the damage from 14 years of her party control is still on the upwards curve and she has said sod all about.

Brychan
Brychan
10 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

It’s the courts that convict the crims, but only if the suspect apprehended and put in the dock. Same applies in Mochdre as it does in Llantarnam. Problem is there’s Labour PCCs doffing their caps to the Home Office in London rather than a Wales wide police force answerable to a minister in the Senedd. If that was so then the concerns of Finch-Saunders could be heard in the Siambr, with corrections if required. Nowt to do with Kemi.

Jeff
Jeff
10 months ago
Reply to  Brychan

All to do with kemi. Sorry to break it to you. Our Cons are let loose, much like our Enoch Powell tribute act, not reigned in, keep that tub thumping going.

Funny how when Labour get in they start to question the state of the nation.

John Ellis
John Ellis
10 months ago

I watch questions to the First Minister on the TV on a routine basis, and unfortunately Janet Finch-Saunders too often – though in fairness not absolutely invariably – comes over to me as a shrieking harridan. I suppose there have been, and will always be, politicians of that ilk, but they do their profession, and the electorate, a real disservice. I don’t say this out of any partisan animus. I’m not, these days at least, a Conservative voter, but I always thought that the now retired Tory MS David Melding was invariably, at least when I heard him. a sensible,… Read more »

Last edited 10 months ago by John Ellis
Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
10 months ago

About that north coast, it is the Wild West for American backed self-appointed clerics, no mention of Damascus, revelations on the A55 to Washington…

The man in the ‘long’ black coat, the Robert Mitchum of Tywyn, seriously what is going here?

Are we paying through the Senedd for our chance of a trip to heaven?

Does God know he is being used in a internicene cult war as the Bush Blair Crusade continues…

God seems to have been co-opted once again by the American evangelical right…

@Lemmy not Lammy.Cymru

Brychan
Brychan
10 months ago

So Starmer’s police admin clerk in the north, Andy Dunbobbin, is happy there were only 198 youth offenders in Llandudno last year rather than the 389, the wider division statistic. Perhaps Dunbob should concentrate on collaring the198 before moving on to rest in junction and Colwyn?

Howie
Howie
10 months ago

Having attended similar meetings with local Police, usually detailed minutes are taken at such meetings.
Are the minutes of this particular meeting available?
If so it will provide some clarity on claims of either party.

Charles Coombes
Charles Coombes
10 months ago

Good use of data/recorded information.

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