Price welcomes positive talks to oppose no-deal Brexit
Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price AM, has welcomed the progress made at a cross-party meeting in London on Tuesday morning to agree a joint strategy to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
Following the talks, instigated by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, it was confirmed agreement had been reached to prioritise opposing a no-deal Brexit using legislation, with a no-confidence vote in the government now seen as a last resort.
The leaders of Labour, the SNP, the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, the Green Party and the Independent Group for Change have also agreed to meet again to discuss how to stop the UK leaving the European Union without a deal on October 31st.
Adam Price, who attended the meeting with Plaid Cymru’s Westminster Group Leader, Liz Saville Roberts MP along with the other Westminster Opposition Leaders said:
“Today was an important step forward in Plaid Cymru’s mission to beat Brexit.
“We committed to work cooperatively with every other opposition party and do everything in our power to avoid a catastrophic crash-out Brexit.
“We have proven before, by taking initiative and forging alliances in the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election, that grown up politics can be a force for good. We will continue in that vein in the forthcoming crucial weeks.
“Today’s vital step goes some way in realising our priority of stopping a ‘no deal’ in its tracks, but we will not lose sight of our ultimate ambition of stopping Brexit and protecting Wales’s future as part of the European Union.”
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Wales voted to Leave the EU. In fact, almost without exception, the more Welsh-identifying the population the higher the Leave vote. Those few areas that voted majority Remain also have had the greatest number of migrants from England or further afield.
Plaid Cymru doing all it can to deny the Welsh nation its democratic voice is a disgrace and will not be forgotten for generations to come.
Not at all! All the analysis I have seen, including very credible, detailed analysis by Cardiff University’s politics department, which very clearly shows the exact reverse! Over 70% of voters identifying themselves as Welsh supported Remain, and it was those identifying as English / British who voted most strongly to leave. Also that Plaid’s position is completely in step with the people of Wales. The referendum vote was well over three years ago now and by now is very significantly out of step with the wishes of the people of Wales. Recent polling and other analysis shows very clearly that… Read more »
Most Welsh regions with lowest inward migration:
Merthyr Tydfil, Welsh identity 80.8% Leave vote 56.4%
Rhondda Cynon Taff Welsh identity 79.9% Leave vote 53.7%
Blaenau Gwent Welsh identity 79.3% Leave vote 62.0%
Less Welsh regions with highest inward migration
Cardiff Welsh identity 55.8% Remain vote 60.0%
Ceredigion Welsh identity 51.7% Remain vote 54.6%
Gwynedd Welsh identity 66.4% Remain vote 58.1%
The analysis I saw was of Wales as a whole, and was unequivocal. Of all the referendum voters that identify as Welsh, only 29% voted to leave.
No: detailed analysis by respected professionals. The information might be inconvenient to you, but that doesn’t make it false. This is the trouble isn’t it? People don’t care about truth anymore. A decades long anti-EU propaganda campaign of tabloid smear stories based on false and distorted information has done its work, and sown mistrust of the European Union, and some people can’t, or won’t, see anything else any more. The UK has been a hugely influential EU member for 40 years, guiding and shaping it. The idea that it imposes things on us against our will is nonsense – UK… Read more »
I remember the food pre-EU.
Thank goodness for the Europeanisation of grub!
The same analysis also suggests that the remain vote was over 80% among fluent Welsh speakers. Surely this should be something we as the Welsh-speaking community should be proud of, instead of swallowing all this propaganda about ‘the people of Wales’ voting to leave (as if it were some kind of collective decision by the Welsh electorate as a whole).
so what if 70% of Welsh identity people voted leave…..that makes it fine to never ever get the 30% leave vote?……….the English/British contingent arent going anywhere either
No one voted to become poorer. There is no evidence that Brexit will benefit Wales whatsoever. Do you honestly think people will be sitting around their dinner table, after Brexit has happened, realising they are poorer and finding it harder to put food on their plates and yet saying to themselves ” I may be poorer but at least we respected democracy “?? Come on ! Jobs and livelihoods first !
One minute it’s “back Remain” by forging an Alliance of some sort, next minute it’s “oppose a No deal Brexit” which implies acceptance of a “Brexit with a deal”, which is NOT the same as Remain !. How many horses is he, or Plaid, backing ?
Or does this indicate a divided Party unlikely to heal itself let alone give useful guidance to others about how a nation ( UK ? ) might heal itself. Why bother anyway with healing the UK as the present schism presents a good opportunity to buzz off out of it.
Where’s the conflict? Backing remain and opposing no deal are totally compatible positions. Remain is the best outcome by far, but if that’s not available then leaving with a deal is much better than without one. Come on now: that isn’t complicated!
It runs far deeper than that. If you adopt a pro Remain position it means just that and much of the Remain rhetoric confirms that. So any kind of departure is at odds with Remain orthodoxy. No deal Brexit is a simple concept, that’s why so many find it easy to either oppose it or back it. “Brexit with a deal” means anything at all but can’t get off the ground at present because every point on the scale of options has either been rejected by the EU, the UK government or various groupings within UK parliament. Unfortunately for us… Read more »
Chwarae teg, Huw, Adam Price did say the other day that challenging ‘No deal’ is a response to what he sees as an immediate crisis but that Plaid will then be continuing its campaign to secure an eventual Remain outcome. He may (or may not) be wrong, but he has been consistent.
What an idiot. He ignores the vote of his own constituents then the vote of the Welsh population but screams second referendum in the name of democracy.
He then wants to shackle us to the EU as if Brussels would be our saviour. Hello? Doesn’t he recall the EU’s attitude towards Spain during the Catalan referendum violence?
Are we or are we not part of that organisation that had attitude with Spain over the Catalan referendum? This is what many leavers seem to forget, it’s never been the big bad EU with the UK looking on. If, as you are implying, the EU is bad then by association so is the UK. We helped create the way the EU operates, for good or bad. There has never been a ‘them and us’ just ‘us’. We should stay in and help reform the organisation we helped to create!
Leanne Wood took the clever decision to keep out of it … and said a second referendum was wrong
A vote against No Deal is certainly a step in the right direction. Hopefully, Johnson’s government can then be defeated in Parliament in a No Confidence vote, so that we can have a longed-for General Election. Indeed, I’m choosing my words carefully, as one of the definitions of a member state of the EU is, indeed, the right of citizens to stand for election and the need for such states to hold regular, democratic elections. OK, the current first-past-the-post system may be flawed, as it wasn’t intended for multi-party candidatures but, at least, we do have elections. Should we leave… Read more »
The Backlash Im getting against Plaid Cymru here in East Wales is too much for me…Im sticking to personal policies and opinions in public……. too much polarisation going on here
Even my own Plaid Cymru supporting parents say “never again” about Plaid because of them trying to overturn the 52% leave vote….they claim “what would Plaid Cymru think if a 52% Welsh independence vote was overturned…..outrage ofc”
Plaid Cymru’s pro remain stance is because they believe that staying in the EU is better for the people of Cymru. In effect similar to their stance that exiting the UK is better for the people of Cymru. So with Brexit 52% wanting to do something that harms Cymru is a decision for Plaid Cymru to resist. And with independence 52% wanting to do something that benefits Cymru would be a decision for Plaid Cymru to accept, A case of the principle of what’s better in the long term interest of Cymru being more important that what’s popular at a… Read more »
Cap M- i can understand the point you’re trying to make, about Plaid’s leadership genuinely believing it to be in Wales’s interests to stay in the EU. Thus justifying their volte-face on this issue, after LW’s initial ‘we have to respect the vote and fight for the best possible deal for Wales’. You could also argue perhaps that there’s even an outside chance of forming an alternative government in Westminster, which could conceivably be better for Wales. The only problem is that all this still flies in the face of that democratic choice made by the people of Wales in… Read more »
“The only problem is that all this still flies in the face of that democratic choice made by the people of Wales in 2016. ” I think this argument only really works if “democratic choice by the people” equals comparing the height of a pile of voting slips with an X in one box with the height of a pile of voting slips with an X in the other box. Tallest pile wins. It’s in society’s interest that Democracy is more than this. A good way of establishing just how bad an exercise in democratic choice the UK’s EU referendum… Read more »
The Brexit people really know the writing is on the wall.
Constantly playing 2016 with an out-of-tune fiddle.
If they are so confident of their support in Cymru, let it be put to the test.