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Tories say they ‘really do’ want to reverse the increase in Senedd Members

17 Dec 2025 4 minute read
The Welsh Conservatives in the Senedd before work commenced to expand it

Martin Shipton

The Welsh Conservatives insist they are serious in claiming they would seek to reverse the increase in the number of MSs in the unlikely event that they win the Senedd election next May.

Legislation was passed in 2024 to increase the number of MSs from 60 to 96.

At the same time, the electoral system was changed so that all members will be elected by the closed list system of proportional representation.

According to supporters of the moves, the increase in Senedd Members was justified because it would result in improved scrutiny of the Welsh Government and its ministers.

It has also been argued that the Senedd had a low number of members in comparison with the Scottish Parliament, which has 129 MSPs, and the Northern Ireland Assembly, which has 90 MLAs.

Welsh Conservatives have criticised the increase in numbers on the grounds of cost. In September it was announced that the Senedd’s budget would increase by almost £19m because of the extra numbers of MSs.

The Senedd Commission’s spending plans for 2026-27 include £12.7m to cover the salaries and costs associated with the extra 36 MSs and their staff, contributing to a 21% total rise from £83.8m in 2025-26 to £102.7m in 2026-27.

Presiding Officer Elin Jones has also confirmed that the cost of adapting the Senedd debating chamber so it can accommodate the extra politicians had increased by 30%. A Freedom of Information response published in May estimated it would cost £3.25m, but Ms Jones told the Senedd the cost to the taxpayer was now set to be £4.22m.

“This cost will be fully funded from the Senedd reform budget for this current year,” she said.

In terms of the Welsh Government’s overall budget of £27.6bn, the cost of the extra members is minuscule.

Nevertheless, former Welsh Conservative Senedd group leader Andrew RT Davies barely lets a day go by without complaining about the increase in MSs, suggesting that the money should instead be spent on the NHS and other public services.

However, he goes further and demands that the increase should be reversed.

Unrealistic

We put it to a Welsh Conservative group spokesperson that reversing the increase was unrealistic, given that the Senedd reform law had been passed and that spending was already taking place on renovations to the Senedd to increase the capacity of its debating chamber.

We said that while opposing the change had been an arguable position, it was unrealistic to argue for the increase in numbers to be reversed.

The Tory group spokesperson accepted that any further change would require a two-thirds majority vote, which , we said, was highly unlikely to be achieved.

The spokesperson added: “We would try to persuade others that change was needed.”

When we suggested that reversing the change would cost money in terms of requiring a re-adaptation of the chamber, the spokesperson said: “A lot of money was wasted in doing the physical changes and some IT equipment was thrown out. If we had to change the IT equipment, we’d recycle it.”

We raised the issue of the expansion of the House of Lords, which Andrew RT Davies hasn’t criticised, possibly because he fancies a peerage himself.

House of Lords

Since 2010, hundreds of new life peers have been created for the House of Lords, with major waves under David Cameron (around 245), Boris Johnson (87+), Theresa May (43), and Rishi Sunak (51), plus recent additions by Keir Starmer (25+), totalling well over 400 new appointments, predominantly life peers, to support government majorities or for honours lists, significantly expanding the chamber. Peers may claim a daily attendance allowance of £371.

The spokesperson said: “We do not have a group policy on this.”


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Coldcomfort
Coldcomfort
12 hours ago

Might as well get in before the people who will agree, even if they don’t like the Tories. Do you really expect 60 people, some of whom will be in opposition, to be able to run a country? Even if a good proportion of them were top class? I’m not claiming the current ones are, but even if they were? Think it through: how many people it takes to run much smaller enterprises. Cardiff City has more councillors. Look at how many MPs are on the UK govt payroll. Look at businesses. Ask what there is to be done. Look… Read more »

David Richards
David Richards
12 hours ago

On current polling the tories will be in single figures in the new 96 seat senedd – and around 64 of those 96 would need to vote to reverse the increase in the number of senedd members. There is more chance of a announcement on the marriage of lord lucan to the loch ness monster than the tories being able to do anything about the Senedd going to 96 members.

John Ellis
John Ellis
11 hours ago

The Conservatives have never even once formed a government in Wales since devolution came into effect, and if the opinion polls are to be believed, their chances next May are even less than they’ve been at any time in the last quarter century.

So I don’t really think that there’s a need to pay much heed to what they say they might or might not do were they to form a government. What Reform UK might do is, of course, another matter entirely!

Adam
Adam
11 hours ago

Who cares, they’re irrelevant. The Tories in Wales now are where Labour will be next year. And it’s absolutely fantastic.

Greg
Greg
10 hours ago
Reply to  Adam

They might not be irrelevant forever if Nigel’s promise to donors that he’ll reverse takeover the Conservative and Unionist party before 2029 comes to pass.

Mike T
Mike T
3 hours ago

My major concern is quality. I’m not sure we have 60 or so the greatest political minds as it is, to say the least. The justification is that c90 will get more done. I don’t believe that but let’s put in some goals, measurement etc. If certain targets are met in a couple of years then keep it at c90. If not, go back to the current level. I’m also interested in people to politician ratios. Bosnia has around 3m people and they appear to have an upper house of 15 and lower of 40 or so.

Jeff
Jeff
4 minutes ago

You want committees and oversight, more powers, you need the law makers. What the Tory party are saying is they do not want devolution. they do not want more powers, they want to take Wales backwards.

Senedd Web site says 17 committees active at the moment. 4 0n one, 6 in others etc. and 60 MS. Lotta work to go around so few.

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