A465 dualling: Over budget, over-engineered and over doing 50
Stephen Price
Having grown up in Clydach Gorge, any news report on the dualling of the A465 feels personal.
Engagement events became the norm for the village long before the first machine got to work, and the shadowy threat of environmental damage loomed large for far too long.
In the immediate years prior to its construction, I attended as many community events as possible to drum home the message that we wanted more broadleaf, specifically beech, trees planted, and protection for bats and other native wildlife, and that safe entry points and connection to the village’s two districts were prioritised.
Where and when I could, I uprooted smaller beech from the line of fire and planted them higher up in the village – some of which are four times my height now, and like it or lump it, this small village which is cut in half by the A465 got on with things as best it could.
Congestion
I’m no architect, but of all the stretches of the freshly-dualled A465, the 50mph zone is the equivalent of the ugly arse-end of the Christmas tree.
Pick a portion, any portion, but let’s start with the approach to Gilwern from Abergavenny.
Driving from Abergavenny at 70mph, passing Govilon on your left, and arriving at Glanbaiden and the slip road to Gilwern presents you with a strange take on Wacky races.
Cars that had been doing 70, 60 or a confused-50 (believe me, many stay in 50 from Abergavenny’s Hardwick roundabout onward) invariably meet at the onset of the 50mph limit signs.
And then the painful and congested ascent begins with a taunting, empty lane to the right hand side.
Do I overtake the driver in front doing a mix of 49, 48 and 47mph (yes, I’m counting) and get a potential fine for doing 52, 53..
Do I hang back and create a safer distance and thereby risk arriving at Asda Brynmawr after closing time the following day?
Do I get some life admin done, paint my nails or give my nasal hair a trim? Catch up with some long lost friends?
I don’t check my phone, honest, guv.
Like the road itself, however, the options are endless. Besides checking your phone, of course.
On the approach to Clydach from Gilwern, just over the river from Maesygwartha, the road was pointlessly elevated so takes on a climb before a descent that simply wasn’t there before or necessary, but it’s free money, right?
Mess
Chatting with a friend recently, I mentioned how I often head to Abergavenny from Brynmawr through North Clydach or Llanelly Hill simply to avoid the road.
Sure, it takes longer, but being from the area it means a more pleasant, wistful drive full of memory-wandering, and a welcome break from a road that just doesn’t feel ‘right’.
The bridge and pathetti-junction mess at Brynmawr in particular has to be experienced to be believed.
If you’re passing Brynmawr by, all is fine, but for those leaving the town or the southern towns of Blaenau Gwent heading east, it’s a reacquaintance with the old re-purposed roundabout, followed by a steep incline, across an over-the-top bridge that seems to need constant maintenance, on to another roundabout, and then the slow downhill break-testing descent.
You get a sense that the architects were on a percentage-based payment plan and looked for the most convoluted solution possible, and then stuck a shopping centre over-engineered bridge on top just for fun.
The skyline at the top of the beech-lined gorge with its (once) spectacular waterfalls, known locally as the Fairy Glen, didn’t need that tacky addition.
Irreplaceable
Of course, the road needed better entry points for people leaving Clydach – it’s frightening to think that there was simply a junction turning left or right on to the busy road before.
Something had to be done. Lives will be saved.
And it’s the locals in this most special valley that paid the heaviest price for the disruption.
Years and years of omnipresent pile-driving and queues of diverted traffic making our roads unsafe, filthy and overcrowded.
Irreplaceable buildings lost, graveyards unearthed, native beech, bluebells, oak lost.. untold damage to precious birds, bats, fungus.
Mature beech trees I swung from and climbed now lost to the over-the-top fly-over that crosses the River Clydach at the meeting point of Clydach South and North, known locally as the ‘Saleyard’ – their stumps a ghostly reminder beneath the diverted and elevated road.
Road closures meant our commutes were made longer, with the occasional stranded lorry adding extra joy to the proceedings.
Those of us who lived in the Gorge during its construction took our lives into our hands when leaving the village and adjoining the A465 when, overnight, a new roundabout might appear, and we simply had to lump it with the promise of greater good come completion.
The village was held hostage to the slowest of slow progress: My closest friend had to move house when her family home was compulsary-purchased, another friend was injured after a car ploughed into her on the temporary roundabout.
And then to discover that the speed limit would remain at 50?
I think we are all still processing.
Slap in the face
The Welsh Government said the proposed speed limit, similar to the old stretch of road, was “in the interest of road safety” and aimed to “reduce the scheme’s environmental impact.”
Keith Jones, director of the Institute for Civil Engineers In Wales, said the limit was linked to the road’s design.
“If you have quite a difficult terrain, then you can flatten it out so you can travel faster, so people can see any obstacles in the way, a long way away,” he said.
“But to do that you would be eating into the existing ground which would raise the cost.”
I’ve raised no objection to 20mph speed limits (online anyway, ahem), but this? This?
Driving on the A465 at 50mph makes driving 20mph in a town centre seem like a rally driving experience. It’s just completely off.
I’ve yet to find a single person from Clydach, Black Rock or Maesygwartha whose lives were interrupted daily, year on year, that is satisfied with driving 50mph with the overbearing threat of average speed cameras even if it has been presented to them by the experts as being in their favour.
I’ve also yet to see any of the wider economic benefits the road was touted as bringing locally – its obvious purpose being an M4 (and heads of the valleys towns) bypass and east-west link. It was never for us.
As it stands, it’s a slap in the face for those who were most affected, for the longest amount of time.
Leaving the A465 as it was between Gilwern and Brynmawr and installing a roundabout at Clydach would have saved us all a lot of heartache, time and money, and we’d all be travelling at just the same speed in the one same lane, only with a feeling of it being justified.
Petitions have been created, signed, and forgotten, and we have no choice but to accept the status quo.
But for most nearby it’s still not sitting right, and probably never will.
But what do we know.
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Some quite high parapets there. 50 is fine, like the M4 section that was 50 since it was built I think (not the added 50).
Of course you can always campaign to raise the limit but what are those barriers rated at for a 3 ton vehicle losing it on the wet because driver run out of talent at 70 vs 50 or a 3-7.5 ton van at 60 vs 50 fully laden?
I’ve driven this route many times, living in Ebbw Vale, and yes, undoubtedly there are some safety aspects to consider but to have the road at the same speed as the old road just doesn’t justify the collosal expense and disruption of the whole project. Rip up a gorge and keep the same speed limit as before – quite simply unbelievable!
Just because the limit is the same doesn’t mean the experience is the same. Surely upgrades are about capacity and reliability, not top speed.
Safety too.
Yeah, appreciate the sentiment but drove that old road more times than I remember and its now its 4 lanes, which is an improvement and if memory serves you have to get past struggling HGV’s before the two lane became 1 in parts in the old days and the downslope single lane was always a drag if a wagon was infront. Used to be the quickest route to Swansea from the midlands.
Many sections in the UK have a 50 on them, you just hit the cruise control get on with it.
Judging by the reaction to the A465 upgrade not proceeding with the Newport bypass, a much bigger and more expensive project, was the right choice.
Wales, unfortunately, has unfriendly topography when it comes to easy communication across the entire nation. The main problem, routinely, is north-south communication, but the A465 is an instance where it’s also an east-west factor. Trying to address the consequent problems carries costs – rather big ones.
We allow our topography to overwhelm us far too easily. Compared to some European countries and not just those with Alpine ranges we are a pretty easy level plane. Set some engineers from 200 years ago loose with modern day tools and you would get startling results. You’d soon have a network of N>S, E>W, road and rail connections across Wales instead of the reminders of extractive colonialism that exist today.
You have a point – a friend of mine who’s a lifetime railway buff told me about a light railway line of quite considerable length constructed in recent years along the north coast of Spain which, from memory, has it’s own topographical challenges in certain parts. But here in Wales the topographical difficulties haven’t just been an issue of recent times. I remember reading that the Carmarthen- Aberystwyth railway line – closed in 1965 – was initially intended to be the start of a direct rail route between Milford Haven and Manchester when it was first projected in the mid-19th… Read more »
£2bn and the speed reduces from 60mph down to 50mph this sums up the Welsh government to a tee.
Seems that you could have 1) have a variable speed limit 60mph in dry good visibility conditions and say 50mph when raining, misty or overcrowded conditions or 2) have differing speed limits for cars and HGVs, say 60 for cars and 50 for wagons.
Having moved to Ebbw Vale about 5 years ago, I can’t remember how it was before (though my satnav seems to) but elsewhere we’re told the 50 limit is to cut pollution. Unlikely for modern vehicles, anyway, but does this account for having to drive with the brakes on and the particulate muck which that chucks out due to having to hold a car which doesn’t want to do it to 50 mph on the long downhill stretch to Abergavenny?
You don’t need to use the brakes to stay at 50 going down there, just change down a gear and the engine braking will take care of maintaining speed. Literally drove down there today and didn’t use the brakes once while everyone else had their brake lights on the whole time. Does anyone actually know how to drive properly any more?
No, they’re all driving automatics and it wouldn’t occur to them to use the semi-automatic function to downshift. The electric drivers don’t really have any choice, they either have regenerative braking or not.
No, they jolly well don’t. The driving test is way too easy and this is why people keep crashing into each other. Incompetence.
…that’s a brilliant way to waste fuel. Travel downhill with the engine racing!
Doesn’t use any fuel at all. Modern fuel injectors close when you’ve not got your foot on the accelerator and the wheels turning keeps the engine running rather than the other way around when you are using the accelerator. Further proof that no-one knows how to drive properly nowadays, or how cars actually work.
Why is this discussion taking place now.
The gorge was not practical solution but the planners pushed it through .They would not allow a shorter route through the national park.
Four lanes are better than 3 . The Welsh government allowed stage 1 to over un on cost and time. That is the issue they need to be held responsible for this and measures put in place to stop it happening again. Time to get rid of Drakeford and the labour government who are responsible for the mess.
Everything they touch turndown to fertiliser
Keep repeating ‘50 is fine’
as 2026’s inevitable roadworks
with cones in a line, keep us
queued with time to ponder
the contra-flows wander
like ghosts of see you laters
that met their maker there.
What did architects have to do with the scheme? The reporter is clearly lazy and doesn’t take the trouble to research the issue.
Let’s not forget, the over-budgeting was due to most local people voting for Brexit and thereby cutting off the financial aid that came from the EU to upgrade the road.
That’s what the Brexiteers voted for.
Financial aid from the eu meant the road cost every more
Every single £1 received cost at least £1.60 in contributions
Eu funding, more like eu fleecing.
If you’re talking about the membership fees, Wales was a net beneficiary first. Second the membership fees paid for much more than the money coming back. Just look at the billions we now have to pay for customs agents to interfere with European trade. Look at the costs this exra red tape is putting on business. And look at the civil service bloat needed to run all the jobs once outsourced to Brussels.
Literally drove that way today.
The 50 zone is only five miles long. If it was 70 you’d clear it in 4m 17s, at 50 it takes 6 minutes. So literally less than a 2 minute saving.
Given there’s no hard shoulder any collision or breakdown is going to have a huge impact to anyone using the road, so it’s surely better to keep the speeds down to guarantee it stays free flowing?
Rediculous logic! Straighten a road given better forward visibility & reduce the speed limit! The planning of a mad house! Why spend £2billion pounds when all they had to do was maintain low speeds on the old ‘twisty’ heads of the Valley road?
Paint your nails?? 😳
Ok so I’m from Llanelly Hill, and I moved up the hill from Abergavenny and I am happy with how the road turned out, Christ I remember the traffic tailbacks and the accidents. I’ve seen some horrific crashes on this section before the dualing with life changing injuries. There’s some aspects that could have been done better like a decent junction when coming off at clydach heading from Abergavenny could have increased the speed limit to 70mph, but coming down that section from Brynmawr doing more than 50mph then your mad. There’s obviously the environment impact on the area which… Read more »
Also they have cut off the access to the water falls. There was a foot path under the brynmawr roundabout where you could walk to the water falls or the old railway line. This is now a dead end where you have to walk next to a 50mph road with no barrier, great for dog walkers. If you want to walk the old railway line you now have to take a car and park on the access road potentially blocking emergency services. Costain really messed this up and should put it back.
What never gets mentioned is how much longer the 50mph section is then before they started the project
The 50mph zone used to start and end much closer to the bottom of the hill.
Now it’s starts way before/after, it really is a epitimy of Welsh assembly waste and inefficiency – a worse solution then before
I rode my bike down the gorge the day it opened. I don’t think it had a speed limit (well, 70) on day one. After 50mph was imposed, I remember going around the bend in my car, by The Pipes at 50 and being overtaken by my physics teacher the other side of double white lines. It was not so busy then. This latest dialling has been an extravagance. Converting a 3 lane road into a 6 lane, with a wide “barrier lane” in the middle when an extra lane and metal barrier would have sufficed, has been an ego… Read more »
Having read that article I wonder if the author is a fit and proper person to be driving a vehicle of any description. I agree that the 50mph is an over cautious imposition but that aside the road is a tremendous improvement on what was there before. I have used the road on pretty much a daily basis for the past 37 years using the the entry and exit slip roads at Abergavenny, Gilwern, Brynmawr, and Ebbw Vale, if the author finds these problematic he should seriously think about handing his licence back, also the reason the original road was… Read more »