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Welsh nationalism needs to embrace and redefine Britishness to win

02 Jul 2025 6 minute read
British and Irish Lions players appear dejected following the Lions defat against Argentina in Dublin. Photo Brian Lawless/PA Wire.

Jonathan Edwards

A British and Irish Lions rugby tour always used to stir up mixed emotions for me as a Welsh nationalist once I became politically active.

My politics was very much driven by considering everything Welsh as good and conversely anything British as bad.

However, the Lions concept of four nations coming together challenged that notion, especially as skilled unionists such as former First Minister Carwyn Jones would often equate the Lions as an example of his vision of a reformed British state based on a partnership of equals in a confederal structure.

The argument put forward by Mr Jones was very persuasive but in fact wasn’t quite true as one of the Lions nations was an independent country, with 26 of the 32 Irish counties that make up the Irish national rugby team being in the Republic and not the UK.

Embodiment 

Unionists proclaim the Lions as the embodiment of the UK state, while of course it is not: it is the rugby side of the British Isles. The British Isles and the British state are two different entities and, as time has gone by, I have concluded that Welsh nationalists are missing a trick in not embracing our common British identity and redefining it to serve the aim of achieving Welsh political independence.

The political strategy of polarising Welshness against Britishness, amplified most vividly by the famous ‘Viva Gareth Bale’ football chant sang by Welsh football supporters has undoubtedly served a purpose in the social media age we live, where electoral politics is far more about energising bases than triangulating opponents.

The last census however indicated that only 55% of the people of Wales identified as Welsh. While in party electoral politics this provides enough people for Plaid Cymru to operate on when energising the base, especially at a Senedd election where the turnout is small and those participating are more likely to be Welsh identifiers, in the context of a referendum the Yes campaign would have to be far more nuanced.

Louis Rees Zammit

The personal attacks on Louis Rees Zammit this week for his photo shoot with a Union Jack flag indicates the problems that traditional nationalist strategies face. (Before getting accused of hypocrisy, I got myself into plenty of trouble during my time as MP with stupid social media posts.)

To compound the difficulties the Yes campaign will face in the future, statistics from the Office for National Statistics indicate that each year an average 59,000 people move from England to Wales, while 53,000 move the other way. While population flows are complex and not straightforward, it’s obvious that a Yes campaign aimed at polarisation based on identity is probably doomed to failure.

Speaking to the converted in social media echo chambers is easy, but to win a referendum on independence the Yes campaign would have to convert a huge chunk of our fellow citizens who do not consider themselves to be Welsh, despite the deliberate attempt to define our national identity on a civic basis.

Welsh nationalism should go further and embrace the common identity of the people of the British Isles while directing its critique at the failure of the British state.

When I developed a political strategy based on the hashtag #westminsterisntworkingforwales it was very much to pivot the vanguard of attack towards challenging the legitimacy of the British State as opposed to deconstructing British identity and anti-Englishness.

Anglophiles

Instead, Welsh nationalists if they were clever should be the biggest Anglophiles on the planet as a part of the process of creating a new common British identity where the people of Wales, Scotland, Ireland and England face the future as distinct and genuine equals.

An independent Wales would need the closest possible relationship economically with our neighbours to the west and east. We would also need to work together on matters such as defence and foreign policy. There is a strong case for a common currency with England and Scotland: the creation of a Sterling Currency Zone, as I labelled it, with appropriate political accountability by the Central Bank to the constituent political members.

I was personally relaxed about leaving the fight about the Head of State for another day, partly so as as to not immediately turn off royalists.

In embracing Britishness and the need to redefine it as something beyond the structures of the British state, the Yes campaign will not only begin to answer some of the questions of how an independent Wales would work with our neighbours, but also expand the appeal of independence to those who will need to be persuaded to win a vote. It will also pose a challenge to Unionists, that for the British state to survive it will have to reform decisively by becoming far less centralised.

British identity

British identity is the Unionists’ strongest political card, especially as Welsh nationalism polarises against it. Negate its impact on the political debate and Unionist politicians will be left with the UK state. Stripped of being the embodiment of British identity, what would be the point of Westminster?

In my periodic discussions with indy-sceptic fellow citizens, there is little love for Westminster and the British establishment, which seems increasingly hysterical – witness the response to the performance of Kneecap at the Glastonbury festival as a case in point.

The attacks on the band, the festival and the BBC have been off the wall delirious. Personally speaking, I would be worried if the youth of today had been anaesthetised to such an extent that they weren’t voicing their concerns at events in Gaza. Festival organisers and the BBC must resist pressure to censor. Those leading the charge on the right in faux outrage aren’t worried about the lyrics of ‘Recap’, it’s about cultural control and very North Korean in nature.

Returning to the rugby, while I consider the Welsh tour of Japan as the most important rugby event this summer, I will be cheering my fellow Amman Valley citizen Jac Morgan, the sole remaining Welsh tourist, and the rest of the Lions squad in Australia.

For me, the Lions epitomise a future political structure for the British Isles where four independent countries will chart their own path in the world, but also must work within common structures to replace the British state when time is eventually called on Westminster rule.

Jonathan Edwards was the MP for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr 2010-24


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Keith Parry
Keith Parry
8 days ago

Mr Zamit is following his own agenda and is not of much interest to anyone in Wales. No one here cares anything about American football. The British Lions and Carwyn Jones are historic relics who should be left in the past and forgotten about. We look forward to Cymru Rydd! Free Wales!

Undecided
Undecided
8 days ago
Reply to  Keith Parry

You have a long wait with that attitude. The article makes some decent arguments.

Gwyn Ephraim
Gwyn Ephraim
8 days ago
Reply to  Keith Parry

Does not exactly address the points of the article. I am a Plaid supporter but also British (not a ‘Brit’ – yuk). I get the reasoning in the article. There is in fact no conflict between being British and an independence supporter. It’s about self government.

J Jones
J Jones
8 days ago

Along with our pure indigenous language, rygbi over 3 centuries and 4 Golden Eras has provided us with something where we have been far superior to our wealthy Anglo Saxon neighbours. The latest of those 4 eras (2005 – 2019) saw us humiliate them to the extent that they ‘didn’t miss the opportunity of a crisis’ (their words) to kick the legs from under us as we were already on our knees after Covid. So we now have the 2023 English report imposing 5 English to the top WRU positions. The results show that they are at best not fit… Read more »

Dai
Dai
7 days ago
Reply to  J Jones

You’ve missed the point of the article.

Plus being called ‘Welsh’ isn’t an insult – we are foreign to the English.

Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.
Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.
7 days ago
Reply to  Dai

You live in the past.

J Jones
J Jones
7 days ago
Reply to  Dai

So we are ‘foreign to the English’ – even on our own land? My point was regarding our national sport with particular reference to our national language, where I accept that the latter may have been beaten out of previous generations so some can’t understand it through no fault of their own. But it is a shame that some refuse to accept our own nations identity in our own indigenous language (a 5 letter word), but prefer being branded with an English derogatory insult (another 5 letter word). To sum up the English attitude, I remember the author of this… Read more »

John Ellis
John Ellis
7 days ago
Reply to  Dai

You’re right: in many dialects of the then newly arrived Germanic peoples, Waelisc simply meant ‘foreigner’.

Which, for the Angles and Saxons, the native Brits were. The word surely doesn’t even necessarily imply a pejorative attitude – simply a fact.

J Jones
J Jones
7 days ago
Reply to  John Ellis

Calling anyone a ‘foreigner’ in his own land is by it’s very nature insulting and pejorative, whether it’s an insulting English yob in a Spanish restaurant or a Jewish settler shooting a local Palestinian farmer in the West Bank.

John Ellis
John Ellis
7 days ago
Reply to  J Jones

Might I gently suggest to you – without discourtesy, I hope! – that applying sensitivities of the early 21st century, which even now aren’t wholly shared by everyone here, to Europe as it was a millennium and a half ago is a tad anachronistic?

Boris
Boris
7 days ago
Reply to  John Ellis

According to some sources the word was used by the Germanics to describe anyone in the Roman empire which is how all the Celtic peoples across Europe would’ve been seen, including those in Briton when they invaded. The word also survives in the name Wallonia, in Belgium. What it’s widespread use in labelling everyone they didn’t know as foreigners, strangers, outsiders, as the word is variably translated or simply non-Germanics, does tell us is that the Germanics were a very unfriendly lot essentially hating and dehumanising everyone they met. You describe this discussion as anachronistic but I’d argue that only… Read more »

John Ellis
John Ellis
6 days ago
Reply to  Boris

I wouldn’t – because I can’t – refute the imputation which you make in your final sentence!

a a
a a
7 days ago

It is important to distinguish between Britannia (Norman, imperialist), England (Anglo-Saxons) and Albion (Celts). They are three different imaginings.

Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.
Gerallt Llewelyn Rhys.
7 days ago
Reply to  a a

And today with more people of Welsh descent in England than Cymru.

Boris
Boris
7 days ago

Not according to Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_people

a a
a a
7 days ago

There is a perfectly valid English nationalist argument for autonomy, which is that if Wales has its own institutions, that means England does.

Nia James
Nia James
7 days ago

I can follow your argument Jonathan but I disagree with it. Wales, in rugby terms, is still a national side who everyone who defines themselves as Welsh can get behind. The Lions is a brand. It has taken on the mantle of a Manchester United or Real Madrid (most Mancunians and Madrilenos don’t support these entities). The Lions is a money making exercise and, to be fair, that is how it is marketed. The notion of a Lions identity in terms of anything social or cultural is virtually nonexistent. A Lions tour for spectators is a holiday and a booze… Read more »

J Jones
J Jones
7 days ago
Reply to  Nia James

Correct, money has deteriorated rugby with unconnected individuals just spending money to be associated – as with association football! The Lions have lost their way hugely this year, a coach from another sport selecting 9 players from foreign countries! The Aussie Tour is now a walk in the park compared to the other two, wasted on the nepotistic Farrell, who has called up his inadequate son, he may as well give the wife a run! Because of the above this should be Farrels first and last Lions, like the Woodward Worst Lions, Townsend next time with a regulation of only… Read more »

David
David
7 hours ago
Reply to  Nia James

Maybe if the Cymry stopped obsessing about a ball game and starting thinking about how they have been ripped off by the English for centuries, we might get somewhere.

Boris
Boris
7 days ago

Reclaim, not redefine.

Rob
Rob
7 days ago

The British identity needs to be less Anglocentric. A lot of people in Wales do not feel comfortable with the British identity because it is synonymous with the English identity. The British anthem is also used as the English national anthem – our sporting rivals. It wasn’t until the mid-90s that England fans flew the St Georges Cross over the union flag. Moreover the union flag does not have any Welsh representation on it. The Lions team does not necessarily have that problem because it is distinct from the England rugby team. In regards to a common currency however, for… Read more »

Gwyn Hopkins
Gwyn Hopkins
7 days ago

I have never had much interest, support or affection for the Lions playing tests against New Zealand, South Africa or Australia because it’s a case of four international teams against one. This doesn’t seem at all fair to me. How would Lions supporters feel about tests between Wales and New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and Argentina combined?

J Jones
J Jones
7 days ago
Reply to  Gwyn Hopkins

In these very sad days, neighbouring countries occasionally playing sport alongside each other should be encouraged to bridge differences and help sort old grievances – if Cymru and England can do it…. If only this could happen in Palestine and Ukraine! An interesting fact on your four nations point Gwyn. When Cymru play New Zealand / Aotearoa, we ARE playing four countries with their Tonga, Samoa and Fiji influx of players. Remember they won the first Rugby World Cup thanks to a flanker called Jones (player of the tournament) who was playing for Samoa the season before. An interesting fact… Read more »

Walter Hunt
Walter Hunt
5 days ago

It is not in the power of Welsh nationalists to redefine Britishness, useful though that might be. What accounts for the rise in support for Welsh independence in recent years? Is it greater awareness of ancient enmities between the Cymry and Saeson or the manifest failures of the contemporary British state? Do nationalist need to reconsider the language they use? Are we too hung up on how people identify? Is that giving in to divide and misrule politics? Aren’t we all just the “Welsh” and the “New Welsh”. Because unless you are very rich, whether you can trace your ancestry… Read more »

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