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Welsh politics is entering a new phase. It’s likely to be a rough ride

08 Sep 2024 7 minute read
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Martin Shipton

Another nail in the coffin of Welsh democracy was hammered home this week with the publication of the Democracy and Boundary Commission Cymru proposals for the new “super constituencies” that will be used to elect the expanded Senedd of 96 Members in 2026.

No criticism should be made of the Commission – its members have done the job they were told to do. But the outcome is a dog’s dinner that is likely to result in greater alienation of the people of Wales from the national parliament that is meant to serve them.

Instead of having one constituency Member to represent them, as happens under the present system, there will be six. Of course there are also four regional Members under existing arrangements, but they tend to be seen – at least from a constituency perspective – as incidental add-ons rather than core to the task of representation.

Closed List

By electing six MSs from a Closed List system where people vote for a party rather than an individual, the crucial personality element of politics is being eliminated. Individuals will be elected to the Senedd not because of their appeal to voters or work they have done, but because they have played the system within their party to ensure they are at the top of the Closed List or close to it.

Who will secure the “top seed” places? People who are regarded as loyalists to the party tribe who will not just follow the party whip come what may, but actively work to ensure that what the party hierarchy wants, the party hierarchy gets. For any maverick who does manage to get selected, there will be the constant threat of deselection if they step out of line.

Of course they could stand as Independents at the following election, but getting re-elected will be much more difficult in a huge super-constituency where the only thing in common between different parts of it may be that it’s possible to drive relatively easily from one location to another.

Winning as an Independent is also much easier where the Single Transferable Vote system is in operation, allowing voters to express their preferences for candidates in an order they devise themselves. Under the Closed List system, every voter is robbed for choice except the mundane option of ticking a list chosen by party apparatchiks motivated predominantly by the desire to win power and retain it.

Apparatchiks

Even if the apparatchiks are content to allow local party members to construct their own Closed List, the numbers involved in making the selection could be very small. Political parties have been hollowed out for various reasons – some ideological, but perhaps more because people tend to have lifestyles focussed less on the collective than was once the case. Parties tend not to publish voting figures for selection contests, so hard evidence tends to be patchy and only comes to light when someone wants to make a point.

But in the devolution era there have been instances where some Plaid Cymru regional list candidates have reportedly been selected with less than a couple of dozen votes. Those selected were subsequently elected as Assembly Members.

When campaigning in the 1997 referendum that resulted in a narrow victory for establishing what was initially the National Assembly, Ron Davies said Wales needed the nation’s “brightest and best” to be elected. More recently Professor Laura McAllister, who chaired a panel that recommended an increase in the number of MSs to be elected by STV or a similar system, has argued that a larger Senedd would necessarily lead to better scrutiny and better legislation.

I don’t think many people believe that we have a Senedd full of Wales’ brightest and best. Nor am I anywhere near being convinced that the calibre will improve once the number of MSs elected shoots up from 60 to 96.

Sycophantic

I see people promoting themselves on social media and being sycophantic to their party leaders. The only reason I can think why they engage in such humiliating behaviour is to tout for selection as a Closed List candidate in 2026. From my perspective, they display little originality of thought and reinforce my prejudice against party tribalists of all persuasions.

They are a far cry from the type of MS wanted by Ron Davies, Laura McAllister and, I believe, Wales as a whole.

In my view, it is more than likely that Labour will have a bad election in 2026. The parties to watch will be Plaid Cymru and Reform UK.

Will Plaid under its “common sense” leader Rhun ap Iorwerth manage to overcome its baggage and persuade the bulk of disillusioned Labour voters to back it? Or will many flock to Reform, a party that isn’t a party in the conventional sense but a private company whose majority shareholder is its leader, Nigel Farage?

A cynical friend suggested that while other parties may struggle to find the brightest and best candidates with the ability to scrutinise the Welsh Government forensically, for Reform it doesn’t matter. They can recruit all the candidates they need in Wetherspoons.

‘Affront to democracy’

I thought it likely that many of my views would chime with those of former Bridgend council Labour leader Jeff Jones. They did. He told me: “It’s certainly wrong to blame the Commission – they were given an impossible task.

“The people to blame are the Senedd Members who voted this through. The Closed List system coupled with constituencies of this size is an affront to democracy. It’s a short-term fix that arose out of the Cooperation Agreement between Labour and Plaid Cymru, but anyone who thinks that it will be changed to STV after the 2026 Senedd election is deluding themselves. This is it.

“The number of MSs is increasing to 96 simply to fit in with a mathematical formula tied to the number of Westminster seats in Wales. Perhaps there would have been 120 MSs if the number of Westminster constituencies had remained at 40 rather than gone down to 32.

“Why, in any case, is there a need to involve Westminster constituencies at all? The Commission should have been asked to draw up a list of new constituencies that suited Wales. In Ireland, the number of seats per Dail constituency varies from three to five. That provides the flexibility to ensure the size of constituencies isn’t unmanageably big. By having such large constituencies in Wales it will be impossible for individual MSs to represent people properly.

“The Closed List system is for the benefit of parties, not voters. The way parties operate today, there’s absolutely no guarantee that the person who gets the most votes in an internal selection contest will be declared the winner. It happened with the Plaid Cymru election for a nomination to the House of Lords, where the former MP Elfyn Llwyd won but the person he defeated got the nomination because she was a woman.

“It happened to me in 1999, when despite getting selected to top the regional list I was removed because the local MP and members of his family who hated me threatened to veto the whole candidate selection process. I received a phone call telling me I was being removed from the top of the list from Welsh Labour official Jessica Morden, now the MP for Newport East.”

Ms Morden was recently elected Chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

We’re entering a new phase of Welsh politics. It’s likely to be a rough ride.


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John Ellis
John Ellis
1 month ago

By electing six MSs from a Closed List system where people vote for a party rather than an individual, the crucial personality element of politics is being eliminated.’

I agree. I support the increase in the number of MS’s – not least because Wales has a considerably smaller number of Senedd representatives in relation to our population when we’ compare with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

But it seems to me that the closed list system will effectively prioritize the interests of political parties over those of voters.

Phil Davies
Phil Davies
1 month ago

Disgraceful method of candidate selection dressed up as democracy. Shameful and should never be allowed, but there, what else do you expect from Labour and Plaid?

Dai Rob
Dai Rob
1 month ago

Very poor article Ships…..and I like most of yours. While all the political journos etc are up in arms about the closed list system, the reality is that 95%+ of the Welsh public couldn’t care less and vote for the party NOT the candidate. Most wouldn’t even be able to name their candidate.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
1 month ago
Reply to  Dai Rob

That might be true in some areas, but in the more rural areas it is the individual candidates that win or lose elections, with their political affiliations being a secondary consideration.

Ap Kenneth
Ap Kenneth
1 month ago
Reply to  Padi Phillips

Now that a Westminster constituency are 70,000 plus voters and most of them will live in urban areas I doubt that personality of the individual candidates makes much difference, a sitting MP or Senedd member may build up a following/reputation but that is about it.
I still wish they had opted for STV as a closed list will have a bad smell following it around.

Amos Hartley
Amos Hartley
1 month ago

We used to elect MEPs using the closed list system. And now we don’t elect MEPs anymore. This change is a threat to devolution.

Daf
Daf
1 month ago

Anti-democratic and will further alienate the disillusioned, or apathetic, voters in Wales. This is cynical and self serving behaviour from politicians, who underestimate the risks of what they’re doing. Creating a large group of people who feel disenfranchised, unrepresented and ignored is very foolish.

Billy James
Billy James
1 month ago
Reply to  Daf

So true.

Linda Jones
Linda Jones
29 days ago
Reply to  Daf

I would suggest there is already a large group of people who feel disenfranchised, unrepresented and ignored. At the last general election only 56% of Welsh people voted, probably because they felt there was no party representing them.

TheWoodForTheTrees
TheWoodForTheTrees
1 month ago

I lived in New Zealand for quite some time, where the list system is used to elect members of parliament. It worked very well. Removing “personality politics” surely has to be a good thing. Parties are voted for on the basis of the policies they propose and deliver. It’s personality politics which result in the likes of Boris Johnson and Donald Trump being elected and we all know how well that works. Politicians come and go, some much quicker than others. Some wreak havoc for a short time, serve only themselves then ride off into the sunset having achieved little… Read more »

Amos Hartley
Amos Hartley
1 month ago

An interesting perspective. How did they deal with the concerns about candidates putting party before people?

David
David
1 month ago

Will / Would any of the political parties standing at the 2026 election make one of their main points in their manifesto to scrap the closed list system and replace STV as the voting system for individual candidates.

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago
Reply to  David

Reform will benefit from this new system, but will promise you anything including its disposal/change just to attract votes.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
1 month ago
Reply to  hdavies15

Hopefully Reform UK will be given enough rope…

Alun
Alun
1 month ago
Reply to  David

STV has been Plaid Cymru policy but they couldn’t get Labour to agree to it so had to settle for the Closed List System as the only way of achieving an expanded Senedd.

And
And
1 month ago

Said this from the start. Think we should be sceptical of any opposition to this system as well. We all know that parties in the Bay have a loyalty based hierarchy rather than one based on ability. We all know which parties those are. Why anyone would think those parties don’t see value in the closed lists – despite protestations – is beyond me. It’s a perfectly natural and consistent move for them. The only people who suggest that every party that rewards loyalty first does not actually support this system are those who think they’re in the race to… Read more »

Billy James
Billy James
1 month ago

Should never had expanded it by 36 members straight away in 2026 it should have been gradual increase over the next few elections..

Remember the Welsh electorate were never even given a say in this.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
1 month ago
Reply to  Billy James

In a democratic country, even one like Cymru where democracy is flawed there is always ample opportunity to have a say. I think the current agitation among the older electorate against the removal of the WFA is evidence of that. Senedd Reform has been under consideration for some years. At any point in time you could have made representations to your elected representative.

We don’t need to be given a say, we already have a say, all we have to do is use it!

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
1 month ago

A wonderful article. Mr Shipton has hit the nail on the head. Closed lists (CLs) in massive multi-member constituencies will serve no purpose but pushing politics, Aelodau Senedd and the whole governance of Wales much further away from the people who elect them. How are CLs going to improve public perception of our young democracy? How is it going to make people engage more with politics? How will it win over the anti-devolutionists, who are still very much present in our country? As an example of how politicians have become haughty and distant, let me recount a recent experience which… Read more »

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Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Williams

The closed lists actually increases the threat of anti-devolutionists being elected. I’m sure the fascists of Reform UK are rubbing their hands and smacking their lips at the prospect.

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago
Reply to  Padi Phillips

If Reform manage the same level of result in 2026 as they secure recently at GE they are bound to get some seats out of this closed list nonsense. They may do even better. When the new system was designed it was feared by many that it would lead to a perpetual Labour majority due to the inertia of the electorate. Now we have the prospect of a nasty minority of Unionist extremists turning up to chuck a spanner in the works. Shambles.

Edward Edwards
Edward Edwards
1 month ago

Listen to Plaid Cymru’s Ann Davies’ maiden speech in UK parliament. Now she is the sort of MP that everyone wants! Years of experience & knowledge, a great passion for the communities she represents & putting common sense above ideology! & highlighting the cause to stop foreigners ruining the Welsh landscape by undergrounding cables.

Padi Phillips
Padi Phillips
1 month ago
Reply to  Edward Edwards

Plaid has some really committed politicians at the supra-national, national and local level. My 90 year old mother lives in an area where every level of political representation is Plaid, and she has nothing but praise for them. Not bad for someone who in her earlier life was an habitual Tory voter. Not party is perfect, but I think Plaid, whether you love them, or hate them does come out as being a bit of a cut above the rest generally speaking. There are, of course decent representatives in Labour at least, but sadly they are tainted by the scumbags… Read more »

Adrian
Adrian
1 month ago

I despair at the dreadful quality of today’s political selection pool. The key qualities of the average politician seem to be amorality, dishonesty, careerism, and no small dose of stupidity. How on earth did we let it get this bad?

Alaina
Alaina
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian

Apathy, populism and being “sick of experts”- Gove, M 2016

includemeout
includemeout
1 month ago

Closed lists can work somewhere like the Netherlands, where the party system is fragmented and anyone who falls out with their leader can simply start their own party. It’s different in Wales, where we currently have only three major parties (the Lib Dems don’t count any more); the third of which is in permanent opposition, and the second is subservient to the first. A reckoning must come. Either the system falls apart – a change with huge potential for both good and bad. Or it holds, and politics becomes merely a game played for personal advancement in a tiny circle… Read more »

Rob Pountney
Rob Pountney
1 month ago
Reply to  includemeout

Firstly, Dutch electoral lists are open, not closed…
Secondly, arguably the Netherlands only has 3 parties at present that could reasonably be described as ‘big’, in this case polling above 15% (23.49%, 15.75%, & 15.14%)…
Thirdly, that the parties behind the ‘big 2’ are only irrelevant as a DIRECT consequence of the current electoral system, one of the current Dutch coalition parties got 4.65% of the votes…

Glen
Glen
1 month ago

How can they justify having 36 new members when only 46% could be bothered to vote at the last election.

This system is more about rewarding party loyalists than better representation of voters.

Mab Meirion
Mab Meirion
1 month ago

Take a look at the smug faces at the top of Welsh Labour and weep @got fooled again…

Jack
Jack
1 month ago

It’s a missed chance. You want to ablish FPTP? Good idea – have STV using the old electorates so enabling one person being responsible for an area. You want more politicians? Simple have the increased number come from the regional list. Best of both worlds…

With STV pay attention to how in Australia you don’t have to fill in all the squares / numbers for the vote to count.

Amos Hartley
Amos Hartley
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack

STV does something really important. It gives people the chance to vote for who they really want no matter how unlikely they are to get in, followed by another chance to vote tactically against who they really don’t want. This gives a real sense of engagement with the democratic process. Yes the party list system is the most proportional. But if someone votes for who they really want but that choice doesn’t reach the threshold for a single candidate to be chosen, that vote is wasted and they’ve helped the party they didn’t want. Result? Frustration, powerlessness, disillusionment, disenfranchisement. All… Read more »

Margaret Helen Parish
Margaret Helen Parish
1 month ago

Wales…where democracy came to DIE!!!

Ianto
Ianto
1 month ago

It would make more sense to elect three members to each of the Westminster constituencies, voters able to indicate their wishes by selecting three in order of preference from among all the candidates. It would have delivered a remarkably proportional result not based solely on allegience to party hierarchy.

hdavies15
hdavies15
1 month ago

“Individuals will be elected to the Senedd not because of their appeal to voters or work they have done, but because they have played the system within their party to ensure they are at the top of the Closed List or close to it.”

Nuff said.

Linda Jones
Linda Jones
29 days ago

Given the low level of competence, intelligence and vision in the Labour government in the Senedd it’s little wonder they don’t want us to see the candidates. Keeping things hidden and out of the public eye seems to be the order of the day. It will allow nepotism to rule ok.

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