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Yes Cymru propose alternative crests for WRU that ditch the three feathers

30 Oct 2021 2 minutes Read
The alternative YesCymru logos

Yes Cymru have released three new alternative designs for the Welsh Rugby Union – that ditch the Prince of Wales three feathers.

The independence group issued the new designs, which they believe are more ‘Welsh’ as opposed to a symbol of the British monarchy, to gauge feedback from users on social media.

The new designs issued to coincide with today’s match between Wales and the All Blacks in Cardiff, show a leek, a daffodil and a harp.

Yes Cymru said: “These are some initial ideas and we’ve asked for suggestions for a new motto. Good to know what people’s opinion’s are on this issue.

Goat, sheep, SuperTed, Mr Urdd

“We’re looking at everyone’s comments and we’ll be producing new designs based on feedback in time for the next game.”

This is what the current WRU crest looks like.

Understandably, there was lots of feedback on social media, with mixed reviews for the designs.

Many suggested a dragon would be an obvious replacement, some backed a goat or a sheep as an alternative to the three feathers, while one person even suggested SuperTed and then there was this…

So what do you think?

Let us know.

 


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GW Atkinson
GW Atkinson
6 months ago

I used to love wearing my Wales rugby shirts until I found out what those feathers represent. Not buying a Welsh rugby top until they change it so i’ll just stick to the footy shirt which doesn’t represent everything I am opposed to.

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
6 months ago
Reply to  GW Atkinson

Sorry mate, the 3 feathers do not represent Wales they represent oppression, poverty and colonisation.

j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago

Telyn, diolch!

Cai Wogan Jones
Cai Wogan Jones
6 months ago
Reply to  j humphrys

But that is THE national symbol of Ireland. Must be the leek, the daffodil or the dragon.

However, the proposed daffodil emblem is too close to the symbol for Hong Kong (?) So needs some modification.

Last edited 6 months ago by Cai Wogan Jones
j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago

Shamrock for Ireland, Cai?

Leigh Richards
Leigh Richards
6 months ago

And about time too! Well done Yes Cymru 👏

Gareth Cemlyn Jones
Gareth Cemlyn Jones
6 months ago

Hen amser cael gwared ar y ddelwedd ffiaidd imperialaidd Brydeinig

Eifion
Eifion
6 months ago

It’s an odd one this, it wasn’t until much later in life that I understood what the the feathers meant after seeing it be used by an english cricket team.
Without doubt it should be changed, I think we’re mature enough to move away for being Uncle Tomos’s and being branded with this symbol of our conquers.

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
6 months ago
Reply to  Eifion

Perhaps that should be Uncle Tafs.

Welsh_Siôn
Welsh_Siôn
6 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

Or Wncwl Dic Sion Dafydd …

hdavies15
hdavies15
6 months ago

The old FWA “eryr” symbol had a lot going for it. Can’t find it in my stock of emojis !!

Jack
Jack
6 months ago

I agree we should be open to new ideas about Welsh rugby’s image it portrays. And I do want to give them credit for trying to be original, rather than just going for a dragon like the football.

But these particular designs… Yeah maybe back to the drawing board!

Mr Williams
Mr Williams
6 months ago

I really like this idea. About time we ditch the three feathers, which is a symbol of who others would like us to be rather than who we are.

Welsh_Siôn
Welsh_Siôn
6 months ago

I once met a Frenchman who was convinced that the ‘three feathers’ were actually the leek. ‘L’equipe du poireau‘ he kept on referring to the Welsh XV. No amont of my saying otherwise could shake this belief.

Maybe it’s time to grant him his wish. I mean, which other country sports (sorry!) a badge for its national team based on a foreign powers Principality … which itself was stolen from the Counts of Luxembourg by Edward, the Black Prince?

Jack
Jack
6 months ago
Reply to  Welsh_Siôn

“which other country sports a badge for its national team based on a foreign powers” – Well the flags of Australia and New Zealand have the Union flag on them, so I guess there is that.

But imo these are definitely overdue a redesign (like Canada got). NZ really missed a trick a few years ago.

Welsh_Siôn
Welsh_Siôn
6 months ago
Reply to  Jack

Agreed – but do the Ozzies and Kiwis have the UJ on their rugby shirts? Thought not.

PS No one thought of making the logo bilingual or removing the ‘WRU’ bit?

Last edited 6 months ago by Welsh_Siôn
Y Cymro
Y Cymro
6 months ago

I’ve never understood the Three Feathers emblem being used on our Rugby shirts? In Football we use the world”s oldest standard being the Y Ddraig Goch. It oozes ancient Welsh Mythology and projects our history of native Celtic warrior people. But with Rugby, being our most successful national sport, use this white feather dirge. And we all know the connotations of receiving a white feather, or three, don’t we. The three feathers is a Germanic heraldry with the German ‘Ich Dien’ on meaning ‘I serve’, which is as Welsh as Prince Charles is, or to give his real name, Charles… Read more »

Last edited 6 months ago by Y Cymro
Dale McElwee
Dale McElwee
6 months ago
Reply to  Y Cymro

“The three feathers is a Germanic heraldry with the German ‘Ich Dien’ on meaning ‘I serve’, which is as Welsh as Prince Charles is, or to give his real name, Charles Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. I rest my case.”

What is the problem with Germany?

Jesus. You don’t want the English Royal family. Then you all complain that they are really German.

The you want to rejoin the EU.

CapM
CapM
6 months ago

National emblem = the Leek so not really a contest only what design to choose.
Lady Charlotte Guest’s alternative emblem the Daffodil could be on the women’s team shirt if they’d prefer.

The current Ken Dodd’s Tickling Stick emblem is long overdue the red card.

Kerry Davies
Kerry Davies
6 months ago

Why go too far from what exists? Use the Eryr Gwyn, White Eagle of Snowdonia.

Dale McElwee
Dale McElwee
6 months ago
Reply to  Kerry Davies

You changed that from “Free Wales Army”.

Crwtyn Cemais
Crwtyn Cemais
6 months ago

Dw i’n cytuno – mae angen symbol Cymreig, gan NAD yw’r tair pluen gwyn yn Gymreig o gwbl; maent yn symbol herodrol tywysog Lloegr o’r 4ydd ganrif ar ddeg sef mab hynaf Edward III. Adwaenid y tywysog: ‘The Black Prince’ . O’r tri cynnig gan Yes Cymru, baswn i’n dewis yr un yn y canol – mae’n hawdd ei adnabod fel blodyn Cennyn Pedr, tra bod yr un ar y chwith yn awgrymu Cennyn Pedr sydd wedi COLLI ei flodyn! Mae’r un ar y dde yn rhy debyg i delyn Iwerddon – yn enwedig gan fod ‘na lythyren fras ‘I’… Read more »

M Greenway
M Greenway
6 months ago

What a load of crap. Show that emblem anywhere in the rugby playing world and they know it’s Wales. They don’t think that it is a political emblem forced onto a downtrodden people. Being Welsh I certainly don’t think I am downtrodden. An insult to all the great Welsh players who have worn the feathers.

CapM
CapM
6 months ago
Reply to  M Greenway

“They don’t think that it is a political emblem forced onto a downtrodden people.”

The RFU chose the Red Rose as their emblem, the SRU chose the thistle as their emblem, the IRU chose the shamrock as their emblem. All three plants being the national emblems of their respective countries.

Then the WRU chose a German emblem and motto adopted by an heir to the throne of England.
There must have been reasons – sycophancy, lack of confidence, an inferiority complex, ignorance and others none of which were admirable rather than directly being “downtrodden”.

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
6 months ago
Reply to  M Greenway

Interesting, so we were not conquered? The current Prince of Wales is not an English prince imposed upon us? We chose to be in the UK? Our language and culture was not targeted for elimination by Westminster for centuries? We have equal status with England? We are as rich as the South East of England and London? History says otherwise mate, if you are Welsh you and your country have definitely been downtrodden.

Gafan
Gafan
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

“We” were conquered so long ago that no-one in Wales today can claim not to have some form of English ancestry. So don’t pretend like we’re a separate race of downtrodden serfs, Steve. We’re mongrels, just like everyone else.

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
6 months ago
Reply to  Gafan

Mate, my 28th great great grandfather was William the Conqueror ! Even further back my ancestry, like yours, was African. So yes I’m a mongrel and I am well aware of that. However, I was born in Wales and I am Welsh that is all that matters now. You can’t deny we were a conquered people, regardless of whether that was 700years ago or yesterday. Besides if what you say is correct – we are all mongrels so forget about your national identity – why were so many countries of the empire so desperate to become Independent ? Identity, it… Read more »

j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago
Reply to  Gafan

See current Oxford map of British dna.

Charles Coombes
Charles Coombes
6 months ago

None of these.
The two on the right suggest Yorkshire and Eire. The one on the left is …… not Welsh.
Back tonthe drawing board!

j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago

Once again, the Irish have the shamrock, albeit demonstrated by our dear Dewi St, to represent the trinity, thus the beautiful green of Ireland.

Last edited 6 months ago by j humphrys
j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago
Reply to  j humphrys

Alzheimers strikes, I mean Padrig of course, doh!

defaid
defaid
6 months ago

The leek looks like three feathers.
The daffodil looks like a rose.
The harp is kind of… taken.

How about a great big red dragon?

CapM
CapM
6 months ago

Change the WRU badge to a leek. Instant promotion of leeks, farmers have a new income, use them as biofuel for new bus services, plant them on coal tips to stabilise them, serve up cawl cennin to the homeless. That’ll solve all our problems.

A stupid statement? Well you started it.

Gafan
Gafan
6 months ago
Reply to  CapM

Not managed to rebut any of their points, though, have you?

New YesCymru slogan “Let them eat nationalism”. I can just see Liz Saville Antoinette saying that…

CapM
CapM
6 months ago
Reply to  Gafan

Maybe you and Dim problem find it difficult to consider (in this case) the issue of the WRU’s brand without abandoning any thoughts you might gave on weightier issues affecting Cymru doesn’t mean others are similarly limited.

Sian Ifan
Sian Ifan
6 months ago

We are at a stage in our history where we wish to express to the world that we are a strong and confident nation with our own unique heritage and history so, why on earth would the WRU wish our rugby players and supporters to sport a badge made up of the ‘Ich Dien’ feather duster, which expresses our loyalty to another country and its royalty? Our last native Prince was Tywysog Owain Glyndŵr, a leader chosen and crowned at our own Cymric Parliament at Machynlleth and his royal Coat of Arms was the 4 Lions Rampant – as seen… Read more »

Dale McElwee
6 months ago
Reply to  Sian Ifan

Llanelli’s greatest warrior was Steadman

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
6 months ago

How about the royal standard of Owain Glyndŵr Y Draig Aur Owain Glyndŵr – Owain Glyndŵr – Wikipedia

j humphrys
j humphrys
6 months ago
Reply to  Barry Pandy

Ooh, you tempt me away from my Telyn!

Mick Tems
Mick Tems
6 months ago

I’ll vote for Y Ddraig Goch.

CapM
CapM
6 months ago
Reply to  Mick Tems

That would be red on red.

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
6 months ago
Reply to  CapM

An invisible dragon!

Barry Pandy
Barry Pandy
6 months ago
Reply to  Mick Tems

Perhaps the dragon isn’t such a good idea – the WRU are such sycophants they would probably opt to use the white english dragons so that they can suck up to their english masters.

Unless of course they use the golden dragon of Owain Glyndŵr.

Rhosddu
Rhosddu
6 months ago

O’r tri cynllun YesCymru, ydy’r cenhinen y gorau, dw i’n meddwl; gyda URC uwchben WRU (enw dwyieithog).

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