Support our Nation today - please donate here
News

Petition against new Prince of Wales hits 25,000 signatures as King prepares to visit Cardiff

15 Sep 2022 6 minute read
Prince William and King Charles. Picture by Andrew Matthews / PA Wire.

A petition against continuing with the Prince of Wales title has now hit 25,000 signatures, just under a week since it was started.

Charles III announced that he was making William and Kate the new Prince and Princess of Wales during his first speech as King last Friday.

But the petition’s author, Trystan Gruffydd, said that since the days of the Welsh Princes the title has been “held exclusively by Englishmen as a symbol of dominance over Wales”.

“The title remains an insult to Wales and is a symbol of historical oppression and also implies that Wales is still a principality, undermining Wales’ status as a nation and a country,” the petition text says.

Tomorrow the King will visit Wales for the first time since the decision to hand on the title was made, visiting Llandaf Cathedral, the Senedd and finally Cardiff Castle.

Llandaf Cathedral itself could be the site of a “low key” investiture for the Prince of Wales after the King’s Coronation next year, Royal sources have said.

The Telegraph quoted the source saying: “They want to make sure that any ceremony is about celebrating Wales, rather than focusing on them as individuals. They have lived in Wales and they have spent a lot of time going back to Wales and they want to make sure anything they do is in keeping with the wishes of the Welsh people.”

“The Prince must also decide on arrangements for his investiture as Prince of Wales, which is scheduled to happen after the King’s coronation and is likely to be next year,” it says.

“William will become only the third Prince of Wales to be invested in Wales itself, and is said to favour a more low-key ceremony than the one at Caernarfon Castle for his father in 1969.

“One possibility is that the investiture could take place at Cardiff Cathedral, and a decision must also be taken on the role of the Princess of Wales in the ceremony, as no Prince of Wales in recent history has inherited the title while married.”

‘Laughed’

Charles’ investiture at Caernarfon castle in 1969 drew protests including Cymdeithas yr Iaith’s non-violent mass protests, to more direct threats from the the Free Wales Army and Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru.

This week it was revealed that King Charles III would not want the new Prince of Wales, William, to go through what he did during his 1969 investiture, according to Wales’ first Presiding Officer.

Appearing on ITV Wales’ current affairs programme Sharp End, former Minister for Culture, Tourism and Sport Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas shared details of conversations he had with the-then Prince Charles.

Presenter Rob Osborne had asked panel guests whether, given the protests during the 1969 investiture, they thought the announcement last Friday was made to limit the debate or the discussions of anyone who would oppose it.

“I don’t know the answer to that”, Lord Elis-Thomas said, “but I can tell you in discussions with him when he was still Prince of Wales, when I had cultural responsibilities in the Welsh Government, one of the issues I did raise with him was that I hoped there would never again be an investiture in Caernarfon Castle.

“[Prince Charles] laughed and said: ‘Do you think I want to put William through what I went through?’”

The Royal title was originally given to Edward II of Caernarfon, son of Edward I who conquered Wales, as a means of confirming that the ‘Tywysog Cymru’ title previously held by native princes of Wales was subservient to that of the King of England.

Since then it has been held by 21 different heirs to the throne, although seven of them never became king.

There have previously been long periods of history, such as between 1553 with the accession of Edward Tudor and the passing of the title to Henry Frederick Stuart 63 years later, when the title did not exist at all.

‘Discussion’

On Tuesday leader of Plaid Cymru Adam Price has said that any decision over the investiture of the new Prince of Wales should be made in Wales.

His comments come after over 20,000 people signed a petition opposing the passing on of the controversial title to Prince William.

Adam Price had originally said on Friday that while there would be “a time” for a public debate around the title, at the moment Plaid Cymru’s thoughts were “with the Royal Family as they grieve”.

However, in comments made to Radio Cymru he said that discussions about where the investiture should take place in the media had “crossed a line”.

His comments came after First Minister Mark Drakeford said on Sunday and yesterday that there was “no rush” to another investiture and that a discussion should take place in the meantime.

Adam Price added: “I welcome what the First Minister, Mark Drakeford, had to say on the question of an investiture.

“I’ve seen stories in the London press that an investiture is going to happen and I think that a line is crossed because that gives the Prince of Wales a quasi-official status in Welsh life.

“I think that’s a decision that we in Wales should make in a time when we’re living in a modern democratic Wales – it’s a decision we need to make here before any announcement is made.”

He added that there should be no rush to make a decision but that it was one for Members of the Senedd to make.

“I’m a republican, and there is sensitivity and pain around the [Prince of Wales] title for many of us,” he said. “But others have a different view and we need a discussion on the matter.”

‘No hurry’

On Monday Mark Drakeford said that there is a “discussion” to be had about on an elected Head of State, but it should not be had this week.

In an interview with ITV’s Sharp End, the First Minister said that there needed to be a focus on mourning the Queen.

Asked by presenter Rob Osborne whether there should be a debate on the issue, he said: “Well, not this week.

“I think there’s a discussion there,” he said. “It’s alive and happening already. But this week is a week about reflecting on the life, the service, the memories that people have of someone who has been part of everybody’s life.”

He once again confirmed that he wasn’t consulted before the creation of the title of Prince of Wales for Prince William, but said that he hadn’t expected to be.

“No, wouldn’t expect to be there’s no constitutional significance in the role of the Prince of Wales,” he said. “It doesn’t have responsibilities of its own.

“I think it’s a decision that the king has made and in some ways that has avoided what might have been a drawn-out debate about whether or not it should happen.”


Support our Nation today

For the price of a cup of coffee a month you can help us create an independent, not-for-profit, national news service for the people of Wales, by the people of Wales.

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

7 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
David Harking
David Harking
19 days ago

The time to put an end to this is now, not at a later date.

Steve Duggan
Steve Duggan
19 days ago

No matter how many of us sign the petition – including me – it will be ignored. They don’t care how we think or feel. Unless we gain independence it will happen again, undoubtedly within the next 20years or so, when William becomes King. We are a proud country – why are we putting up with such crap??

SundanceKid
SundanceKid
19 days ago
Reply to  Steve Duggan

We still need to voice our opposition – as loudly and as often as possible. Make it as uncomfortable as possible for them until it is no longer worth their while. The royals only ever get a doctored account of public opinion from their advisors, but protests and petitions is our way of telling them exactly what we think. This investiture does not have the overwhelming support for the Welsh people. And it will have even less after a few months and years of having a cost-of-living crisis and King Charles as our head of state. We can turn this… Read more »

TheWelshPrinceOfEngland
TheWelshPrinceOfEngland
19 days ago

I declare myself The Prince of England. Well, if the English can bestow titles on each other so can the Welsh.

I.Humphrys
I.Humphrys
19 days ago

KC3 making a nasty face at a servant, You Tube; “PTE Geopolitics”, but there are others. This will get around young people and hasten decline. It makes one wonder what Diana perhaps had to put up with? Welsh Republic asap.

George
George
19 days ago

If Prince William wants to be a Prince for Wales as link to historical title then fair enough but he’s no Prince of Wales and shouldn’t have that specific title.

I can understand if we need to wait til after the funeral to push this message but “Prince of Wales” needs to either be i) scrapped completely or ii) a Welsh person.

Kenneth Vivian
Kenneth Vivian
19 days ago

The English capitulated to Norman French rule within eight hours of combat whereas the Welsh resisted and died for four centuries. The Prince of Wales office is needed to help Engand forget that it was Welshmen who in 1485 rescued England from Plantagenet rule.

Our Supporters

All information provided to Nation.Cymru will be handled sensitively and within the boundaries of the Data Protection Act 2018.